intelligentshipper:

tenoko1:

intelligentshipper:

tinkdw:

tenoko1:

Here’s the thing, Anon. I think you are looking at this from the wrong angle.

We’re used to the show’s habit of writing stories with the focus being on this big bad apocalyptic whatever, but showrunners have said that’s not what they are doing this season, instead they are flipping the script and focusing on the characters through whatever is going on, that it will be character driven and focused.

Which is exactly what happened in the episode. It focused on all the different ways the characters have changed and developed and will continue to change and develop.

Rather than just characters reacting, we’re going to get to see as they grow, change, and work together to attack whatever comes at them, rather than just reflexively reacting to it. They’re changing from the passive subject to a moving force.

The episode was eaten up with meta and narrative storytelling. Which is what they’re doing. And if you watch it expecting the same pattern, well, there’s gonna be whiplash, because that’s no longer what they’re serving.

Yup. Watch this episode caring about character exposition and development and toss plot aside and it’s a gold mine.

I mean 13×01 was great cos we got both but eh, id always rather have good character meta than plot.

I dare say it was so expositional it was almost *too* expositional and left it hyper-condensed. Barring the potential plot failings with Cas’ lack of… any abilities (which I still hold potential for being addressed later and do agree should have at least been vaguely textualized amidst all the other exposition if it is their angle that he’s depleting), this was mostly a character expositional episode to the point that I kind of wish they had broken a few pieces of it into adjacent episodes, because we didn’t really get to deeply explore some parts of it.

Sam-Cas, Sam-Jack, Cas-Jack, had great interactions but I feel like scaling down the BobbyMary About To Do Straight People Things Nobody Will Argue With could have left better room. Yes, we got the Sunshine comment, but that scene could have gone almost anywhere in almost any episode. 

But the base note is they very clearly built this as a character exposition. What has everyone been doing the last three weeks, what changes are there, what roles are being taken on by who, what are they doing to fix it, how are they feeling, and where do we see them heading. My gripes over the Too Mobby are trivial at best but yes, it was very much a character episode. Even Michael’s segment was us finding out Michael’s drives and ambitions and motivations, and ironically, his motivation is finding everybody else’s motivation.

So…

I believe the narrative is all pointing to Cas becoming human and it baffles me this has been no one else’s take when he’s basically been walking this road for a while, losing abilities as he went. Cas being an angel has been what keeps him separate most of the time, and clashes with Sam’s dream of family pizza nights and Dean’s wish to retire on a beach– which is not really something an angel can appreciate and take part in. If he’s human, though…

I mean, I agree with that, Tenoko. I’ve even held discourse over that. But it’s in such a foggy area that while Mary could shove out words like “Cas is in detroit,” or “here’s all of the things you’ve been doing that I am going to conveniently list off for the audience,” we didn’t get a “and he isn’t doing so well on the magic” or SOMETHING? Something, anything to not launch our premiere with a giant “What the fuck?” and everybody being upset.

intelligentshipper:

Salty Megstiel fan says all my metas are about Destiel as their justification for assuming talk about Rachel’s possible return is from hating Meg as a Destiel fan.

I’m going to guess they missed all of these which is the majority of my meta.

Or like, are they implying production and ratings history around Misha is Destiel, I wonder?

Considering my blog is more a demographics blog than standard story meta, I wonder: Beyond the recent Destiel sales shirt questions and the occasional kickup when an idiot tries to claim the ship is a minority against all logic, are all of these posts Destiel?

I mean, I guess I did a mixtape label and “my view of Destiel” meta. Which, fascinatingly, needed its own post, because I generally don’t meta them that much. I mean, I pointed to some scripting before. And I made a few points about the definition of subtext or statements swept under a rug. Given, I also made a post about subtext in thematics that had next-to-nothing to do with Destiel beyond the wank the Megstiel shippers were dragging in my friends’ doors uninvited, in a show of blazing irony.

I mean, I guess if you want to read me addressing that Cas is occasionally a grounding mechanism for Dean as Destiel meta, there’s this. Or this thing about Sam and Dean’s relationship getting less toxic. Considering I didn’t make that about Destiel, and instead about an improved relationship in Sam and Dean, that’s a pretty wild thing to pull on. Y’all seeing Destiel out of everything more than I do, at this point.

There’s when I point out very obvious dialogue offsets, including this conversation where a friend brings up when she saw me start shipping it myself recently, which is new?

So let’s see… one quick roll through of my meta tag gives me… six Destiel related metas, if you include script point-outs and brief dialogue side by sides, as well as… like, definitions and why it’s ridiculous to use certain words dismissively. Like, three are explorative metas, but hey. I’ll give all six and be generous.

That’s to… 13 other topics, notwithstanding that my primary meta is under the four linked tags above, but not tagged directly meta, of which only a bare bottom few topics (beyond/before shirt blowout) are actually even adjacent to Destiel, and of which there’s like 30 posts on. If you think a-generous-6 vs 40+ is what makes “mostly”, even while I frequently joust with other Destiel shippers about too much presumed metaphor in readings… is what makes a majority or bulk? No wonder that side of the fence is confused about fandom majorities.

In fact, my #sam winchester #dean winchester #castiel, #j2m and #team free will tags all have more posts tagged (each, in their independent pages, not total) than my #destiel post but you know. Logic.

But sure, fam. We’ll just erase my routine set & filming stalking, return or character speculation, and broad topic meta reviews like the reaper retcon or angel humanization in general and pretend anyone wanting to know about Rachel coming back is just for ship wank purposes.

And Megstiel shippers wonder why their wing of the fandom is so small. Try not being aggressive and presumptuous as fuck with anyone even looking in your direction.

Y’all come at me, IDGAF.

intelligentshipper:

teamfreewill-girl:

intelligentshipper:

tinkdw:

I fail to understand how someone who has never met them pointing out that literally EVERYONE thinks that Cas and Dean are “joined at the… gestures at Castiel’s dick… *ahem* everything” is anything but the gayest gay to ever gay.

There’s seriously nothing remotely not insinuating they’re boning here.

Coming from a demon who has never met them. Insinuating that all of Heaven and Hell think Dean and Cas are boning. As a consistent addition to all the previous characters who’ve said things like:

– He was your boyfriend first

– The one in the dirty trench coat who’s in love with you

– The moment he laid a hand on you he was lost

– I know you’re hoping he will return to you

– YOUR ANGEL

etc etc etc…

It’s just…

I’ve been asked this too??? And I’m wondering like, how this fandom has been so-trained into trying to talk everything down that it needs asked??

Literally – a demon they have never met – hears about it in the rumor mill. Hears about it loudly and often enough, he delivers it the way he did. Some random, punkass crossroads demon knows about this as a thing.

Is it technically still “subtext” how he knows these? I mean, sure. In the same way that if I have never spoken to your Nonnie, but go and start talking a thing about Nonnie’s personal life to them, obviously, someone told me something about Nonnie. Unless we, what, want to imply he’s a mind reader and… glossed… that… anyway?

The simple fact is, both heaven and hell already assume they’re boning. Anyone who tries to say it’s “not in the show” is about ten miles from base at this point. Anyone who says we see something that isn’t there are literally accusing at least all of heaven and hell of being wrong about that too. Okay, I guess they can all be fallible, but the simple idea of “you just queerbait yourselves and nobody puts it in the show” is such a dead wank point anyone who says it should be embarrassed.

That was ironically a HUGE statement, because it was even bolder than the angel threat of dick-cutting. They spared nothing in getting everything in the shot, directing focus verbally to it, and even cueing an awkward silence to highlight it. Anyone who missed that moment is doing so intentionally.

I’ve seen people saying that Heaven and Hell imply this only to make them uncomfortable so it actually diminish Destiel so I’m just going to add something. They do it only with Dean and Cas. They could imply Sam is the one sleeping with Cas but no they always go for Dean and Cas even when they barely know them and never met them like Kipling in 14×01.

This. The concern trolling on that is outright ridiculous. It’s a target to them because it’s *targetable.* Almost like there’s something different there. Almost like Kip’s dialogue even made a point to separate the two, explicitly. Call it “to annoy them” or “diminish it” but fam, literally all of heaven and hell know there is something different about these two that even make that a viable “shot” to take. And let’s not get into the subtext of the angels implying they would castrate him over it. Do you really think that’s just a shot “to annoy them”? Yeah, homophobes threaten to castrate people while implying they’re gay just to annoy them all the time. People just walk around doing this. This is how they insult people if they really don’t think anything is there, by threatening to chop their dick off anyway. Makes perfect sense.

intelligentshipper:

tinkdw:

intelligentshipper:

Imagine trying to claim you’re an LGBT ally after intentionally harassing a vendor or PR until they change an LGBT-positive description and then taking the extra step up to celebrate and laugh about it as queerbait after you harass the change.
Your phobic bullshit is showing.

1. *YELLS AT A STORE AND PR UNTIL ONE OR THE OTHER GETS RID OF THE GAY*
2. “HAHA THEY QUEERBAITED YOU. SUCKERZ. …BUT I’m an ALLY you can’t judge me!“ 

Tbh quite a few of that lot are lgbt themselves, I think they are just so entrenched in the disaster negativity pit that is being an anti destiel/pro wincest/anti everything nice in general tweeting twat that they totally miss the fact that they’re encouraging homophobic bs by doing this kinda thing because they hate THAT one pairing.

It’s like making a whole bakery close down cos you hate croissants but you actually love all the other stuff, but you still closed the bakery with your fuckery not only ruining it for everyone else but also yourself cos your hatred of croissants blinds you.

Fucks sake.

Croissants are delicious.

Internalized homophobia is still homophobia, regardless of how you slice the cake or bakery. You can’t yell “I’m an ally” or wave around a queer card while trying to blissfully rejoice in what you see as queerbaiting. If they were repping that queer card and honestly saw it as queerbaiting, rather than them harassing companies into compliance with their screaming, they should be just as pissed over the queerbaiting, not cackling about it. It’s not really difficult on that front. They are, quite literally, part of the problem no matter how much they flag around what support card. 

intelligentshipper:

Today is the first semi-down day in SPN fandom due to a regressive backslide I’ve been getting asked about the potential causes of. Personally, for me, it’ll be rough not because of the change, but because my “queerbait” calls are far more reserved than my brethren due to the lenses I work at the tiers of production and marketing through, and I fully expect internal heat over my point of view. However, 

There’s still plenty of good things in the last few days.

In example:

Years ago, Castiel was an accessory on a show; once even considered removable by TPTB until undone; later promoted, and now, efficiently marketed as a true trio member rather than occasional duo+one. And honestly, I live to watch the antis slide in their desperate resistance.

This comes to mind because of this recent article,

It has been an uphill battle for Castiel fans, for years having to aggressively defend his place, and yes – to the potential upset of some of my followers, sometimes even against logic and reason (during early seasons; later it became truth and common sense.) But the anti slide has gone something like:

• Castiel doesn’t matter
• (Insert random heckling about Destiel)
• Castiel isn’t part of the team
• Castiel isn’t part of the FAMILY.
• Nope, nope, Dean still doesn’t care, ignore the brother and family lines. He’s not a lead
• They don’t market him
• They market him now but it’s PANDERING
• Okay so he’s FAMILY but HAH HAH BAND OF BROTHERS CAS IS ONLY A BROTHER HAHAHAHAHA

Do… do we see the slide in their desperate standing here? We are literally at a point where their only celebration can come from gloriously announcing that Castiel Is A Winchester Brother.

Let’s all take a moment to soak in the landscape shift within PR, the show and the fandom beneath it that has caused this.

SPN Season 18 is gonna be like HAHAHA OKAY SO THEY’RE MARRIED FAMILY WITH TWO ADOPTED KIDS BUT THEY’RE NOT IN LOVE.

Small blessings.