Oh ouch, no, honey, don’t go into the fire pit. Madness, chaos, denial, and hatred in the name of “love” are their mantra. Just stay in this lane that celebrates the cast, their families, friendships, and characters.
that side is called the dark side for a reason
i once spent a few hours over there and it felt like a dementor had sucked out all my joy and happiness
she is loving the attention. stop giving it to her. report and block when you come across her posts, loves. arguing with her is literally pointless. her posts are unhinged and nonsensical.
so please if you come across @/go-diane-winchester, REPORT AND BLOCK DO NOT ENGAGE
Heed the warning, folks. You do not want to engage, because the individual is perhaps more unhinged than the one who video-ranted about destiel fans before seacon a few years ago.
Many of you who spend time on YouTube may recognize Diane from her vicious comment trolling.
Look I hate blocking people, it feels like I’m letting them get to me, and I hate that. But I blocked her today, as I’ve seen her get more and more wild in her arguments to the point that I genuinely think something is wrong with her in the boil the bunny kind of way.
Please. Do not engage
This is good advice in general in this bar. I don’t block, and generally I laugh at the looney shit out of that lane. Hell, I’ve laughed at her and enjoyed her delirium before but it’s hitting some next level one flew over the cuckoo’s nest level at this point. I’m pretty sure, with no sarcasm or irony, this woman is legitimately unstable past the point you can even dust off.
Oh that’s the one who claims that some people in the cast are rapists ?
Why crazy people are always too familiar with incest ?
just misha from what i can see and anyone that talks to jensen about destiel 🤷♀️
if this is because you think my criticism of g/nc/st bang is because i hate platonic bro fic, you’re wildly misunderstanding me and the issue by a country mile. the mod is even allowing romantic plots so long as they don’t end up together at the end so
if this is because bronlies are being dicks to you about it, don’t let them. they’ve controlled how people react and feel about the bro bond for far too long.
Also, if you look at the non-Bronly responses to @brobondchristmaschallenge on Twitter, as well as the positive interactions here on Tumblr from people interested, you’ll see that people who haven’t written fic before, or have balked from writing Bro-Centric fic, are joining for THE FIRST TIME. I mean, this is absolutely amazing! We as a fandom NEED THIS.
yes exactly! seriously i’ve seen so much love and need and excitement for bbcc from everyone. we needed this so bad, i don’t think we realized it.
This. One participant stopped writing fic years ago. Another never did. Myself, I avoided fanfic like the plague much less participated in any because of certain qualms I had with it. I gotta say, having to either tilt hard into the Destiel lane (which, while I ship it, I’m generally not all hot for how it comes across in fanfic – sorry to Destiel fic authors, you do good work people enjoy, it’s just not for me) or stumble through a land mine on bro content, like… it’s a problem. So I’m all kinds of excited for fun and inclusive but FUCKING SAFE content.
Gencest doesn’t give that. It just doesn’t. The “it can be but can’t be but might be Wincest of varying degrees of what we think we can get away with” doesn’t work for some people. It certainly doesn’t work for me. And I’ll not touch anything that passes through that vein ever, knowing their willing ambiguity on tagging. It’s a hot mess fam. BBCC = bless
Hard to suss out the motives of the anon here but let me add onto this thread to further dispel some misconceptions. Because the discussion surrounding the g-cest challenge has been mis-represented and it wasn’t about shaming anyone for liking Sam and Dean centric platonic fic. It wasn’t about shaming fans for writing w*ncest fic and posting w*ncest fic in spaces friendly to that ship, properly tagged and with appropriate warnings. The discussion had to do with the implications of the use of the g-cest term now and its usage as a tag and how its ambiguity presented problems for tags when you’re dealing with a trigger ship.
We were told the g-cest challenge was and was not gen, was and was not w*ncest, told it wasn’t w*ncest then told, as platonic bro bond fans, “it’s not for you.” g-cest was presented as the only “real” way to have deep, emotional brocentric fic and if you didn’t want to participate then you got labeled Not a True Fan of the Bro Bond. And if you have any discomfort with w*ncest content you are gatekeeped against as Not a True Fan of the Bro Bond. The harassment and hate and shaming and gatekeeping towards any bro bond fan who doesn’t see the bro bond exactly precisely the same way a small virulent corner sees it and who doesn’t ship incest has been out of control for a long time and it seems to just be getting worse
The Brobond Christmas Challenge arose after the g-cest mod said “if you don’t like our challenge make your own.” It isn’t anti-bro bond fans. It isn’t some evol plot by “hellers.” It’s not open to w*ncest fic (or trigger ships) but if an incest shipper wants to write a platonic Sam & Dean fic for BBCC they can join in. Otherwise all-ships welcome as background–it’s not a shippy challenge. The fic has to center on Sam & Dean’s sibling bond. It’s not a “gen fic challenge” even though ships are only permitted peripherally; it’s simply to attract fans of the platonic bro bond especially from the TFW/Destiel positive lanes who feel a bit lost as to where to put their bro bond love given the gatekeeping. Or bro bond fans who might prefer a Sam & Dean focused challenge that doesn’t include incest, either implied or overt.
The area of fandom that doesn’t tacitly support hate on Destiel shippers and doesn’t tacitly go along with and always protect the most extreme voices who shriek “only Sam and Dean matter and all hellers and minions are evil and who let these other characters in we don’t want or need other characters only sam and dean” ad nauseam loves the bro bond very well. Some loud screechy voices continues to spread the lie that the only real bro bond fans are in their own screechy virulent elitist “brosonly” anti-character development bucket. They’re convincing non-virulent fans in earshot a string of lies about the TFW/Destiel positive end of the fandom and completely misrepresenting what happens in wanks, and that’s kinda sad because fans who might actually have a common ground and enjoy each other don’t get to connect.
Bro bond fans pull from all different lanes of the fandom. Facts are facts.
The Brobond Christmas Challenge is for fics centering on Sam & Dean platonic sibling bond. Platonic Sam & Dean fic is every bit as emotionally raw and honest and Sam & Dean as anything with a -cest tacked onto the end. Sam & Dean’s codependency doesn’t mean you need a -cest tacked onto the end. It’s a facet of their bond, and one that fans have different approaches to. Challenges with -cest tacked onto the end are not the only way to capture Sam & Dean’s bond “uniqueness”–some of the g-cest community tried to cite that “uniqueness” as a reason why their challenge, and their challenge only, can capture Sam & Dean accurately. “They aren’t just ordinary brothers! So we have to have the -cest tacked on!” That’s patently ridiculous. All these characters are extraordinary. Their relationships are extraordinary. Love for the platonic aspect of Sam & Dean isn’t robbing it of uniqueness. Not wanting -cest tacked onto the end isn’t robbing it of its uniqueness.
my apologies but i want to pick out a quote here that i think is very important:
“We were told the g-cest challenge was and was not gen, was and was not w*ncest, told it wasn’t w*ncest then told, as platonic bro bond fans, “it’s not for you.” g-cest was presented as the only “real” way to have deep, emotional brocentric fic and if you didn’t want to participate then you got labeled Not a True Fan of the Bro Bond. And if you have any discomfort with w*ncest content you are gatekeeped against as Not a True Fan of the Bro Bond. The harassment and hate and shaming and gatekeeping towards any bro bond fan who doesn’t see the bro bond exactly precisely the same way a small virulent corner sees it and who doesn’t ship incest has been out of control for a long time and it seems to just be getting worse”
this is exactly what’s been going on for a long time and ignoring them has made it so now the small percentage of assholes wield all the power over how one is allowed to enjoy sam and dean and their bro bond.
this is why i’m so appreciative of efforts like bbcc and individuals like y’all that go “you know what? screw you guys” and make their own bro stuff
(hell, them being dicks about how one HAS to love sam/the bros is what drove me to be more sam focused and to learn how to gif/edit…)
tl;dr: ENJOY THE BROS HOW YOU WANT AND DINT LISTEN TO GATEKEEPING ASSHOLES THAT TRY TO TELL YOU DIFFERENTLY
“cw open to all” except a bi male lead, canon destiel, wayward sisters, decent representation etc etc
They don’t owe you to make your ship canon. Stop being entitled.
But they do like playing with all the baiting and jokes and teasing comments. It’s not about entitlement. Brokebacknatural? Joined at the everything? Come on. You should ask them to stop it, not me.
A joke is not baiting. It’s a joke. Said by a villain. This fandom has a major entitlement complex.
Something I commonly see pointed out, The I Love You, I Love All Of You Moment, and their reactions to each other dying. There are plenty of other examples, Im sure, plus what op pointed out.
And sure, they dont owe it to us. Not at all. But one dang obvious and climax moment that would help make CW more “open to all” would be to make Destiel canon.
I tell my friends I love them. I kiss their cheeks and hug them when I see them. I am not attracted to them.
Destiel is not shipped by all, so that argument doesn’t stand. And same goes for Wayward Sisters, not everyone wanted the show, so let’s not claim otherwise.
oh i see. it has to be all or nothing? newsflash: if WE aren’t owed anything, YOU aren’t either
know what i want? for the writers to be allowed to write the story they’re trying to write. for spn to truly make sense to be included in a diversity campaign.
and for ship-shaming, crit-shaming antis like yourself to knock it off
I never claimed I was owed anything.
They are allowed to write the story they’re trying to write, but certain people aren’t happy about it so they call them all kinds of names and demand things.
I am not ship shaming. I don’t give a damn what you ship. I am, however, sick and tired of people think they’re entitled to other people’s creations.
“they are allowed to write the story they’re trying to write, but certain people aren’t happy about it so they call them all kinds of names and demand things.”
i’m going to address this because you think that it’s the audience that is forcing the writers into the destiel romance closet.
the audience has nothing to do with executive politics. which is exactly what’s at play here.
spn is cw’s longest running show. hell, it’s america’s longest running genre show. taking risks (even if the payoff will be astronomical) is frowned upon. just from what i’ve seen and heard, the writers WANT to write the romance we’re seeing, but they’re getting pushback from higher up.
also nah, bro. no one is calling writers “names” over destiel not being together. hell, even the hated duo bucklemming doesnt get called names. they ARE, however, being told they’re “pandering” whenever there’s blatant shippy moments (or even just having other characters around), being told they’re ruining the show because of said moments, told the show is just about the brothers, etc etc etc
and that ain’t coming from destiel shippers.
Lmao this. Ship shamey kumquats are basically working on years-expired narrative and they haven’t updated their broken record. That shit worked back in season 4. 5. season 7 even. Season 8… maybe even season 9. By season 10 the line started getting jiggly-wiggly and by season 13 it was outright out of hand.
By season 9 we had a showrunner directing them to play as jilted lovers already. A metaphor, the antis cried. Still just bros, just loverly just-bros. Season 10 they were written as fated as Cain-Colette and author confirmed; they were intentionally directionally mirrored to canon OTPs from an old show of Jensen’s; there were three super-ultra gay scenes that, for reasons we’ll pretend not to understand, after they went as far as filming ended up on the cutting room floor, but if they had been employed painted an entirely different mytharc atop the already queer-AF confirmed one. Just subtext and greycanon, the antis cried.
Season 11, we had Carver explicitly clarifying that Amara wasn’t Dean’s romantic interest, to Jensen, who misread it at first; and them charging bond against bond, story against story. Pining, yet again more “in love” and humanity discussions.
Season 12 we got ridiculous – human weakness lover parallels; he came in my room and he played me (wtf Dean?), the mixtape. Antis slide. First they begin at “mixtape isn’t necessarily romantic” and, once they start feeling like the obtuse idiots they’re being, slide into instead “It’s not a mixtape, just a tape of Dean’s favorite songs.” yeah okay.
Season 13 we had an author, paralleling Destiel into Wayward for an OTP, which everyone trumpeted about both ends of to him. An author who said they were ecstatic we saw what they wanted us to see.
And this, none of this, covers those things that pass in the grapevine. Those things this fandom knows, and has receipts on, that we keep traded only in DMs. Those things I can’t clarify about, those things we wouldn’t dare talk about publicly because the people related to it in TPTB already get enough horse shit without antis figuring out who to target and scream at, when it’s something already outside of their control. Those things. And there are a great many of these things. Those things that have. Actual. Receipts. Those things we’ve even been told to keep quiet, and saying this much in public almost breaks some of that trust but it’s frankly inevitable that they eventually hear *some* sort of breath about it anyway and I can hope I’ve been vague enough to not be problematic in saying too much. I’ve gone back and edited this paragraph like 6 times to cull too many direct statements already. But they’ll yell and stomp and demand receipts just to try to ridiculously explain it away like we don’t all literally know, even publicly facing, about Dabb still having the Destiel books in his office *years* later. *Promotions* later. Moved offices later. And that’s just the public facing side – and that side had his new assistant get threats to her job for even mentioning reading them. Unshockingly, despite that, she’s still around.
Celebrating that network politics and old white dudes running networks are too scared to aggressively move forward on years of work on queer content because it’s their prize pony show, doesn’t make anybody a good fan, or even a good person. It makes them part of the problem, just because they don’t like it.
Well, newsflash, buttercup. Not everybody likes MichaelDean. Not everybody liked Amara. Not everybody liked Cas being human. Not everything that happens is gonna be stuff everybody likes. Actually, literally nothing that happens is going to be something everybody likes.
THAT is where the entitlement is at this point.
You’re free to continue to celebrate the tilting and blurring line between queerbait and queer erasure, neither of which are good things. But you have to understand that doesn’t make you the good person in this fight, and makes you regressive as fuck.
And that’s just it.
Reblog to argue with me all you want. It is what it is.
Lmao these people legit think the authors aren’t gonna be out here trying to convince upper-CW to let them go this road. Bro there’s shows where their execs take a stand to even have freedom to up-write more characters/actors based on fan buzz. You legit think with all of this nobody’s been out there campaigning to CW to … hm, see how much they could… “do this year.”
Some people will see what I did there. Even if it’s a year old.
They legit seem to believe this.
Lay off the Entitlement Crack just BECAUSE *you* don’t like it.
“cw open to all” except a bi male lead, canon destiel, wayward sisters, decent representation etc etc
They don’t owe you to make your ship canon. Stop being entitled.
But they do like playing with all the baiting and jokes and teasing comments. It’s not about entitlement. Brokebacknatural? Joined at the everything? Come on. You should ask them to stop it, not me.
A joke is not baiting. It’s a joke. Said by a villain. This fandom has a major entitlement complex.
Something I commonly see pointed out, The I Love You, I Love All Of You Moment, and their reactions to each other dying. There are plenty of other examples, Im sure, plus what op pointed out.
And sure, they dont owe it to us. Not at all. But one dang obvious and climax moment that would help make CW more “open to all” would be to make Destiel canon.
I tell my friends I love them. I kiss their cheeks and hug them when I see them. I am not attracted to them.
Destiel is not shipped by all, so that argument doesn’t stand. And same goes for Wayward Sisters, not everyone wanted the show, so let’s not claim otherwise.
oh i see. it has to be all or nothing? newsflash: if WE aren’t owed anything, YOU aren’t either
know what i want? for the writers to be allowed to write the story they’re trying to write. for spn to truly make sense to be included in a diversity campaign.
and for ship-shaming, crit-shaming antis like yourself to knock it off
I never claimed I was owed anything.
They are allowed to write the story they’re trying to write, but certain people aren’t happy about it so they call them all kinds of names and demand things.
I am not ship shaming. I don’t give a damn what you ship. I am, however, sick and tired of people think they’re entitled to other people’s creations.
“they are allowed to write the story they’re trying to write, but certain people aren’t happy about it so they call them all kinds of names and demand things.”
i’m going to address this because you think that it’s the audience that is forcing the writers into the destiel romance closet.
the audience has nothing to do with executive politics. which is exactly what’s at play here.
spn is cw’s longest running show. hell, it’s america’s longest running genre show. taking risks (even if the payoff will be astronomical) is frowned upon. just from what i’ve seen and heard, the writers WANT to write the romance we’re seeing, but they’re getting pushback from higher up.
also nah, bro. no one is calling writers “names” over destiel not being together. hell, even the hated duo bucklemming doesnt get called names. they ARE, however, being told they’re “pandering” whenever there’s blatant shippy moments (or even just having other characters around), being told they’re ruining the show because of said moments, told the show is just about the brothers, etc etc etc
first off the only thing i’m excited about is offcial merch literally labeled destiel
secondly, if it’s not official than hot topic needs to stop having “OFFICIAL” in their description of the site section for spn
thirdly, it says “join the hunt” inside the shirt so-sorry-not-sorry to burst your little bubble, but it’s an official destiel shirt, bro
but go ahead to your little buddies and tell them you tried to sell me logic that’s not actually based in reality. *shoos* go on, now.
It is literally from their official licensed line of swag.
I just received this email after putting stuff in my basket so… yeah.
I mean duh nasty antis talking crap as usual about it not being official or signed off by the network (or the actors like the actors get a say? Lmao they really know zilch about the realities of how this stuff works), Misha not being a lead, whatever they want to make themselves believe.
Meanwhile we sit here basking in the glorious positive truth of events, like Misha in ever PR stunt for the last few years and increasingly central, official merchandise signed off by Warner and general, you know, canon…
soooo you get to come into my dms and yell at me? because my messages are on? that’s not how this works. have some restraint as a human.
and we’re making fun of your logic. if you don’t like it, then you shouldn’t have been an illogical lying gaslighting asshole in public and to people who don’t tolerate that bullshit.
also i’ll take the word of people that use logic and common sense and people who don’t lie to me over some rando that has bullied them for years.
for the record: they blocked me.
here’s our dm
and here’s a dm from someone else:
and here’s what it looked like on the post last night:
and here’s a gif of my screen recording from this morning:
go ahead. try and bullshit to me and my friends again.
this is 2018. there’s technology to prove your lying besides just my word.
soooo you get to come into my dms and yell at me? because my messages are on? that’s not how this works. have some restraint as a human.
and we’re making fun of your logic. if you don’t like it, then you shouldn’t have been an illogical lying gaslighting asshole in public and to people who don’t tolerate that bullshit.
also i’ll take the word of people that use logic and common sense and people who don’t lie to me over some rando that has bullied them for years.
for the record: they blocked me.
here’s our dm
and here’s a dm from someone else:
and here’s what it looked like on the post last night:
and here’s a gif of my screen recording from this morning:
go ahead. try and bullshit to me and my friends again.
this is 2018. there’s technology to prove your lying besides just my word.
soooo you get to come into my dms and yell at me? because my messages are on? that’s not how this works. have some restraint as a human.
and we’re making fun of your logic. if you don’t like it, then you shouldn’t have been an illogical lying gaslighting asshole in public and to people who don’t tolerate that bullshit.
also i’ll take the word of people that use logic and common sense and people who don’t lie to me over some rando that has bullied them for years.
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