what i’m gleaning from… whatever this is… is that dean is going to struggle with figuring out his place in the bunker. his place in the family.
dean has always been the person in charge. he had to raise sam. he was duty bound by his father to protect his baby brother. the past 14 years, he’s been calling the shots. dean has been made to be the leader 100% of the time, by his father. by fate. he doesn’t know how to not be a leader.
when he comes home to people calling sam “sir” and “chief” and deferring to sam’s leadership and everyone still alive and healthy (tho lbr probably not getting as much good food because their chef was mia)… he’s not going to know what to do with himself. he’s going to feel useless because what he thought was his only role in life is being filled by his giant moose of a brother.
and dean winchester does not take orders (non-sexy ones, anyway) so him and sam’ll probably clash. maybe sam and cas team up to yell at him to rest, they got this. dean is going to end up feeling like that sitcoms mom that goes back to work and thinks the house can’t run without her but everyone seems to be doing ok and she feels unneeded.
i do predict, tho, that they figure it out fairly quickly in a way that doesn’t piss them both off for episodes on end, preferably.
this season seems to be tfw figuring out together through jack, shared son and mirror extraordinaire, that their worth isn’t in what their roles are supposed to be or their powers or what their skills are.
it’s in the people they love. they’re needed and worth something because they have family that care about them and need them alive because they’re them.
i just want everyone to be and do things because they want to. not because they have “no other choice”.
I largely agree with this, but I think there’s a few elements to consider with Dean.
The more teasers we get the more it looks like when Jensen said that Michael won’t be resolved as quickly as it looks like or as quickly as we think, or comments from Dabb about semi-possession, on top of Dean’s struggling to find his place in a shifting hierarchy, we may have him still dealing with Michael ramifications throughout the season, rather than flashbacks like we thought it would be.
Dean has always been one to nest. The bunker was his sacred space, his home, now it’s full of a bunch of people he doesn’t know that all look to Sam as a leader. Sam is no longer the little brother anymore and is finally getting a chance to grow up. Dean WILL struggle, like you said, with his place in things but I also worry about it doubling back into enduring issues as/with/about Michael, possibly still looming inside of Dean in some capacity.
It’s going to be an emotionally driven season, and we still need to figure out exactly where Nick and the Empty fall into this, too.
I am a bit confused. “His body’s sort of accumulated a lot of, I think, antibodies against evil, so he’ll be OK. He knows how to handle himself, even though he’s been altered. But there is a little bit of a surprise, in terms of this semi-possession, which I can’t tell you about. There’s a little bit of a twist.”Plus, this ordeal with Michael “doesn’t take as big a toll” on the hunter as, say, his experience in Hell did, the EP reveals, “because there’s something else that’s going to happen that will take a bigger toll on Dean, and he has to pay attention to that.”
So there is a hint for semi-possession and maybe there is a reason why we haven’t seen the clip where Dean actually said yes to Michael and how that all transpired.
Something else will take a bigger toll in Dean and it’s in regard to semi-possession, so maybe that has something to do with the Empty and also remember that Dean is scheduled to meet Death too.
A reasonable interpretation of the current commentary available, but not what I draw from it. Rather, I wonder if “semi-possession” is more what is upcoming after episode 2, such as residual/repressed Michael in Dean by some mechanic we don’t know yet; as in, for example, them opting to cooperate better to deal with a different threat brought to the surface or something we haven’t identified yet. This touches back on a Jensen quote during hiatus, which interview it was I can’t remember but it was a video one – where he mentions that the Michael situation won’t be as resolved as people will think it is. Dabb and co mentioned enduring effects through the season. We thought we’d be chasing flashbacks or something, but it could very easily be this. Under some mechanic we’re yet to discover Michael takes backseat again but becomes a rotating door situation more like Gadreel, perhaps, and why he isn’t ejected totally, we have to find out in the next few episodes as various new threats surface, since Michael himself is not the actual primary threat.
Edit: To clarify above reblog, I kinda brainfused Dabb’s comments about possession/residual effects and ERL’s comments about semi-possession, but hopefully my point is understood.
OH FUCK I JUST FIGURED IT OUT.
NICK. I WILL BET MONEY FOR REASONS UNKNOWN NICK WILL BE THE SURPRISING NEAR-DEATH.
Nick dies *for reasons* and Jack surprises *even himself* in choosing to save his life and then we end up with the fucking Empty in Nick somehow again *for reasons* and BuckLeming may very well be trying to think of how to have Lucifer piggyback out on that too while keeping it “fresh” with The Empty.
The death/rescue that surprises Jack and removes Cas from the equasion for a while will be Nick, probably panning into the Empty.
jack saving nick is very plausible. nick is wearing the face of his dead-beat father dna donor, after all (in a weird reverse of claire&cas).
but how would that take cas out of the equation? how will that make cas go off for Plot Related Reasons?
i’m honestly confused as to how that would work.
any ideas? i can accept jack saving nick because that makes sense from what we know of jack. he wants to be good. he doesn’t want innocent people to get hurt and he recognizes that nick is NOT lucifer.
but that being why cas has to go off to chase more Plot Things? idk, ya lost me there.
what i’m gleaning from… whatever this is… is that dean is going to struggle with figuring out his place in the bunker. his place in the family.
dean has always been the person in charge. he had to raise sam. he was duty bound by his father to protect his baby brother. the past 14 years, he’s been calling the shots. dean has been made to be the leader 100% of the time, by his father. by fate. he doesn’t know how to not be a leader.
when he comes home to people calling sam “sir” and “chief” and deferring to sam’s leadership and everyone still alive and healthy (tho lbr probably not getting as much good food because their chef was mia)… he’s not going to know what to do with himself. he’s going to feel useless because what he thought was his only role in life is being filled by his giant moose of a brother.
and dean winchester does not take orders (non-sexy ones, anyway) so him and sam’ll probably clash. maybe sam and cas team up to yell at him to rest, they got this. dean is going to end up feeling like that sitcoms mom that goes back to work and thinks the house can’t run without her but everyone seems to be doing ok and she feels unneeded.
i do predict, tho, that they figure it out fairly quickly in a way that doesn’t piss them both off for episodes on end, preferably.
this season seems to be tfw figuring out together through jack, shared son and mirror extraordinaire, that their worth isn’t in what their roles are supposed to be or their powers or what their skills are.
it’s in the people they love. they’re needed and worth something because they have family that care about them and need them alive because they’re them.
i just want everyone to be and do things because they want to. not because they have “no other choice”.
2014!CASTIEL I think it had something to do with the other angels leaving. But when they bailed, my mojo just kind of— psshhew!—drained away. And now, you know, I’m practically human. I mean, Dean, I’m all but useless. Last year, broke my foot, laid up for two months.
I’m maybe stating the obvious, but I was rewatching The End, and I thought I’d share those lines again, because I saw a lot of posts about Cas’ lack of powers in the season 14 premiere, but what was said by Endverse!Cas in this scene probably explains why he’s weaker and weaker when it comes to his powers in the present context, knowing that there’s very few angels left.
Cas’ grace was already pretty damaged before, if I’m not wrong, so it kinda makes sense that he’s more affected than any other angel. And on top of that, he’s emotionally not at his best, it probably makes it worse.
You mean another callback to the exact same episode where this happened in Detroit too?
Where we now know there’s hardly any Angels left, indeed basically none on Earth (except Cas and Jo) as per Naomi’s ordering them back to Heaven, while again here and now Sam now says there’ll be no King of Hell as a direct reverse-mirror to his fulfilling his Lucifer destiny and all the demons running scared from him?!
Idk man, it’s not like Dabb loves callbacks, mirrors and knows his canon inside out or anything 😉
Must be weird for you… looking at me and seeing him.
Yeah…
It’s like he was holding his breath the entire time.
exactly. that’s why i wanted to make sure i slowed down the first two and last two. you can see him take a deep breath in and then in the second to last one see him visibly exhale.
this happens when he’s around lucifer, even just nick.
WHY ARE THEY TORMENTING SAM AGAIN LIKE WHY WHATS THE GRAND PURPOSE
Cockles or Destiel?
i think i found the answer to the bro face touching
100% cockles fault
When your values are clear to you, making decisions becomes easier.—Roy E. Disney
OK, some quick thoughts about the «Cas is stuck in a chair while everyone else is fighting» problem.
First of all, I would like to point out that it took a whole bar full of demons and FOUR pairs of enochian handcuffs to keep him in that chair. Not bad.
Do you realize what a COMPLETE TORTURE it must be for him? He is there, unable to move, while literally his whole family sans Dean is seconds from being killed – and he can just sit and watch? With the terrible knowledge they are there because of him in the first place.
This is a direct parallel to all the TFW 2.0. members in this episode:
1) Jack who lost his powers (and feels completely useless now);
2) Dean who is stuck not being able to move, and just observing what Michael is doing, and how people are dying around him;
3) Sam who has the terrible feeling that Dean is stuck with Michael because he tried to save him, Dean who paid a huge price, and may be dead already or very soon.
Also, once again we are shown that working together is better than working alone (like a hammer to the face actually, it’s almost like an after school special that shows you what happens if you don’t discuss your your plan to work with demons/archangels with your family).
In this episode, everyone feels powerless in some way. They can’t find Michael. They can’t fight demons. They can’t help with hacking, they can’t catch a break. It’s a growing sense of frustration that is overwhelming. And it’s not just Cas being stuck in that chair. It’s everyone.
I also like the parallel we have here with 4.01.
Back then we also had a scene with a bar staffed with demons, and these demons were massacred by Cas. Burnt out eyes and all. Now, Cas is supposedly at his full power just like then, yet he is not able to take down a bar full of demons. Why? Well, rewind to 12×09, when Dean was held by the government and Cas was hunting alone.
Cas has a weakness now. And he is not at his full capability when Dean is gone.
Dean is his weakness, humanity is his weakness, love is his weakness – but hey, we already knew that.
It’s time for SPN to show us love is not a weakness. It’s already showing us your family is your strength, so that’s a good start.
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