this moment about sam remembering jack’s birthday?
dean blanks completely and sam remembers exactly.
sam remembers for the same reason dean forgot: it was one of the worst days of their lives.
their mom is gone. their best friend was murdered. and they had what they thought was a scary powerful creature on the loose.
and what i think is amazing is that even though it was the worst day, it was the start of a significant and beautiful change in their lives.
For the love of god, please keep this destiel-shipping, Sam-and-Jared-hating piece of shit and her horrid posts off my dash. I already blocked her in 50 different ways. What else do I have to do here? CASGIRLSAM IS AN ASSHOLE WHO SPENDS MOST OF HER TWITTER TIME ATTACKING PEOPLE AND TALKING SHIT ABOUT JARED WITH HER DISGUSTING BEST FRIEND CAROL HANSSON. Now maybe she can block me and I’ll be rid of her for good.
lol wut
@theyjustdontgetitdothey lol what? talking shit about Jared? You mean her favorite cast member? the one who is literally her profile picture EVERYWHERE?
What are you smoking and where can I get some?
people like that have been like this since before i joined the fandom. they think you can’t possibly love destiel AND sam or be a fan of misha AND j2.
it’s pure projection. they ship wincest and hate cas and they “love” j2 and hate misha, so obviously the reverse must be true. or so their logic goes.
like our pal diane? she had to go back TWO YEARS to find anything she deemed hateful and it was stuff like “wow sam is so tired of dean and cas’s shit lol” and “man jared really disappointed me with his behavior the other day.”
and what i love is that my friend they mentioned? carol? her crime was she forgot to add jared and the always keep fighting campaign to an article about spn charities which she amended and apologized for.
when was this? you’re probably thinking. surely that must have been recent since they’re obviously still upset.
nope. it’s been a year and they’re STILL TO THIS DAY yelling at her about it. she even got to the point where she apologized TO JARED and they yelled at her for THAT because apologies are selfish or some such nonsense.
and yet they still label her as a “heller” and a jared hater despite her being a non-shipper and jared being her absolute favorite. all because of one article and because she’s friends with people who aren’t in the bronly lane. that’s legit it.
Lol what the fuck they came on YOUR post which has nothing romantic on it to moan about you being on their dash for stuff completely irrelevant to this post.
You’re oh their dash because people reblog your posts because they’re great and clearly are Sam positive which is what they follow people for.
If you’re blocked they won’t see your posts. It ain’t hard. If they do for some reason they can scroll by. Or you know just enjoy the stuff that they might like, such as the Sam and brother positive stuff. Wow I know it’s hard to compute not being an asshole but there you go.
This is one of the most hilarious bronly bullshit I’ve seen in ages. What a laugh! They really just show their colours as morons and assholes with this kinda shit.
oh for sure! what’s funny is i’m not blocked
so either they’re mixing me up with someone else, lying, or tumblr goofed
this moment about sam remembering jack’s birthday?
dean blanks completely and sam remembers exactly.
sam remembers for the same reason dean forgot: it was one of the worst days of their lives.
their mom is gone. their best friend was murdered. and they had what they thought was a scary powerful creature on the loose.
and what i think is amazing is that even though it was the worst day, it was the start of a significant and beautiful change in their lives.
For the love of god, please keep this destiel-shipping, Sam-and-Jared-hating piece of shit and her horrid posts off my dash. I already blocked her in 50 different ways. What else do I have to do here? CASGIRLSAM IS AN ASSHOLE WHO SPENDS MOST OF HER TWITTER TIME ATTACKING PEOPLE AND TALKING SHIT ABOUT JARED WITH HER DISGUSTING BEST FRIEND CAROL HANSSON. Now maybe she can block me and I’ll be rid of her for good.
lol wut
@theyjustdontgetitdothey lol what? talking shit about Jared? You mean her favorite cast member? the one who is literally her profile picture EVERYWHERE?
What are you smoking and where can I get some?
people like that have been like this since before i joined the fandom. they think you can’t possibly love destiel AND sam or be a fan of misha AND j2.
it’s pure projection. they ship wincest and hate cas and they “love” j2 and hate misha, so obviously the reverse must be true. or so their logic goes.
like our pal diane? she had to go back TWO YEARS to find anything she deemed hateful and it was stuff like “wow sam is so tired of dean and cas’s shit lol” and “man jared really disappointed me with his behavior the other day.”
and what i love is that my friend they mentioned? carol? her crime was she forgot to add jared and the always keep fighting campaign to an article about spn charities which she amended and apologized for.
when was this? you’re probably thinking. surely that must have been recent since they’re obviously still upset.
nope. it’s been a year and they’re STILL TO THIS DAY yelling at her about it. she even got to the point where she apologized TO JARED and they yelled at her for THAT because apologies are selfish or some such nonsense.
and yet they still label her as a “heller” and a jared hater despite her being a non-shipper and jared being her absolute favorite. all because of one article and because she’s friends with people who aren’t in the bronly lane. that’s legit it.
what a long day
i don’t really wanna go into it publicly atm because i don’t want to feed more fuel into it because i’m too exhausted to talk about my own emotions that their behavior caused. i’ve been up since 8am est yesterday. for reference right now it’s almost 9pm est. it’s just weighing on me and i need to type it out somewhere public. and believe me, i’ll talk more about it when i’m not falling asleep on my dinner and feeling emotional. they haven’t neutered me into silence. i just need rest.
but anyway, i just wanna say… treat others with the respect you loudly demand of yourself. you can’t demand that you be left alone and then continue to not do that to others. you can’t claim bullying and harassment when you’re the one perpetrating it in the nastiest ways possible.
i need a nap. and like a whole bottle of wine maybe.
(fandom squee and snark take downs of fandom bs will return after a word from our sponsors; sleep, rehydration, and copious amounts of queen)
How…How can incest or any implication of it with or without sex be for general audiences?????????? I really really hate talking about my NOTP because that makes me sound like a bronly that can only spend time hating on a ship they don’t like…BUT Incest is an actual trigger for people. And if anyone thinks I’m exaggerating, well, it’s a fucking trigger for me. My parents can’t really accept my sexuality okay????? So when they found out, they implied in our argument that I, OUT OF ALL PEOPLE, might be dangerous to my own younger sister. Just because I came out as bisexual. MY OWN PARENTS THOUGHT I MIGHT HARASS MY OWN SIBLING JUST BECAUSE OF MY SEXUALITY and because the two of us are really close. I actually already forgot about it. Repressed it like Dean does with bad memories. But the Wincest side of this fucking fandom is triggering memories I wish I can edit out of my existence. WHY CAN’T THOS PEOPLE JUST LET SIBLINGS BE SIBLINGS?????? I saw my sister and I in Sam and Dean’s brotherhood. Now that feels so fucking weird all because of Wincest and its shippers who try to normalize it. They seriously ruined Sam and Dean’s brotherhood for me and probably half of the show. And now I find out they think incest without sex is rated for general audiences??????? Fuck that.
first of all, i’m so sorry, darlin. about everything. that’s so awful, idek where to begin.
secondly, i relate heavily to their bond too and for the longest time, i couldn’t let myself enjoy it because the bronlies poison everything beautiful about their bond. it literally scares people into not posting content or talking about it. and when i pointed this out to someone today, they laughed and said that was silly. so you can see what kind of crowd they’re really for.
if it helps, there’s a TRUE brothers gen fic christmas challenge coming up. they’re on twitter @ brobondcc.
i and several others are also working on a bro bond big bang (b4 😉 ), coming in 2019.
@casgirlsam OOOOOHHH thank you. That’s sooooo cool. I hope it’s a case fic or something about their childhood or teenage years. I want to know how Sam learned to make a bomb out of his lunchbox. You’re so nice. Thanks. ❤
…. those are fantastic ideas. would you be ok if i used those as prompts?
and no prob! anything i can do to help. 😀
Sure!!! Tag me or send me the link when you’re done? Oh and I like prank wars too. I prank my sis all the time.
thanks! and absolutely! it’s still in it’s infancy, but once we get the sm accounts started, i’ll make sure that’ll go up right after the rules. ❤️
How…How can incest or any implication of it with or without sex be for general audiences?????????? I really really hate talking about my NOTP because that makes me sound like a bronly that can only spend time hating on a ship they don’t like…BUT Incest is an actual trigger for people. And if anyone thinks I’m exaggerating, well, it’s a fucking trigger for me. My parents can’t really accept my sexuality okay????? So when they found out, they implied in our argument that I, OUT OF ALL PEOPLE, might be dangerous to my own younger sister. Just because I came out as bisexual. MY OWN PARENTS THOUGHT I MIGHT HARASS MY OWN SIBLING JUST BECAUSE OF MY SEXUALITY and because the two of us are really close. I actually already forgot about it. Repressed it like Dean does with bad memories. But the Wincest side of this fucking fandom is triggering memories I wish I can edit out of my existence. WHY CAN’T THOS PEOPLE JUST LET SIBLINGS BE SIBLINGS?????? I saw my sister and I in Sam and Dean’s brotherhood. Now that feels so fucking weird all because of Wincest and its shippers who try to normalize it. They seriously ruined Sam and Dean’s brotherhood for me and probably half of the show. And now I find out they think incest without sex is rated for general audiences??????? Fuck that.
first of all, i’m so sorry, darlin. about everything. that’s so awful, idek where to begin.
secondly, i relate heavily to their bond too and for the longest time, i couldn’t let myself enjoy it because the bronlies poison everything beautiful about their bond. it literally scares people into not posting content or talking about it. and when i pointed this out to someone today, they laughed and said that was silly. so you can see what kind of crowd they’re really for.
if it helps, there’s a TRUE brothers gen fic christmas challenge coming up. they’re on twitter @ brobondcc.
i and several others are also working on a bro bond big bang (b4 😉 ), coming in 2019.
@casgirlsam OOOOOHHH thank you. That’s sooooo cool. I hope it’s a case fic or something about their childhood or teenage years. I want to know how Sam learned to make a bomb out of his lunchbox. You’re so nice. Thanks. ❤
…. those are fantastic ideas. would you be ok if i used those as prompts?
How…How can incest or any implication of it with or without sex be for general audiences?????????? I really really hate talking about my NOTP because that makes me sound like a bronly that can only spend time hating on a ship they don’t like…BUT Incest is an actual trigger for people. And if anyone thinks I’m exaggerating, well, it’s a fucking trigger for me. My parents can’t really accept my sexuality okay????? So when they found out, they implied in our argument that I, OUT OF ALL PEOPLE, might be dangerous to my own younger sister. Just because I came out as bisexual. MY OWN PARENTS THOUGHT I MIGHT HARASS MY OWN SIBLING JUST BECAUSE OF MY SEXUALITY and because the two of us are really close. I actually already forgot about it. Repressed it like Dean does with bad memories. But the Wincest side of this fucking fandom is triggering memories I wish I can edit out of my existence. WHY CAN’T THOS PEOPLE JUST LET SIBLINGS BE SIBLINGS?????? I saw my sister and I in Sam and Dean’s brotherhood. Now that feels so fucking weird all because of Wincest and its shippers who try to normalize it. They seriously ruined Sam and Dean’s brotherhood for me and probably half of the show. And now I find out they think incest without sex is rated for general audiences??????? Fuck that.
first of all, i’m so sorry, darlin. about everything. that’s so awful, idek where to begin.
secondly, i relate heavily to their bond too and for the longest time, i couldn’t let myself enjoy it because the bronlies poison everything beautiful about their bond. it literally scares people into not posting content or talking about it. and when i pointed this out to someone today, they laughed and said that was silly. so you can see what kind of crowd they’re really for.
if it helps, there’s a TRUE brothers gen fic christmas challenge coming up. they’re on twitter @ brobondcc.
i and several others are also working on a bro bond big bang (b4 😉 ), coming in 2019.
during that whole genfic that isn’t genfic fiasco today, i overlooked this reply to me
couple points here:
“it can’t be retroactively changed when it’s already part of the fandom lexicon”
i want a show of hands how many people know what the term lemon/lime means. no? how about the significance of whose name comes first in slash pairings?
see, that’s the thing about fandom. it grows with society. hell, i never see younguns refer to their m/m fic as slash fics anymore. it’s just… fic with queer romance. so YES, you CAN change old fandom lexicon. THATS HOW LANGUAGE WORKS
“you could call it hard gen […] but that’s not supernatural specific and you’ll have to clarify”
here are some suggestions:
bro bond genfic
winbro genfest
wingenfic
sam&dean genfest
and that was just off the top of my head. no clarification needed.
also hate to break it to ya but the suffix -cest comes from the word “incest”. w*incest shippers did not create the word “incest” and do not own it. slapping on -cest and acting like it makes it safe for general fandom consumption is not ok
LMAO i was looking for more info on this and i came across people being against it or confused even in 2012:
Okay, about this “g*ncest” thing that just cropped up which makes me feel like I splintered back to the year 2006 and aren’t we over this by now…what that is is a bona fide example of toxic masculinity attitudes at work and being valorized by a small number of fans, mostly female.
I was largely ignoring the discourse around this—some people don’t understand the term, or they don’t like Wincest and react angrily to anything dealing with it or its shippers—but this was presented as “I know we should be over this and here’s why,” so let me write a rebuttal.
This will also act as a way to talk about the genre a little bit more for those who may not understand.
Dear Gencest Mod Thank you for such a well reasoned and patient rebuttal.
I 100% endorse everything you’ve said here, and admire that you stayed completely objective throughout. I would also point out that the term gencest is not something that has just suddenly popped up, it’s certainly been around for as long as I’ve been in SPN fandom (c2009).
Thank you! I try not to get engaged with fandom wank, but the misinformation of both the term and our intentions, and how disproportionately angry folks appear to be over it confused the heck outta me, ha!
You’re totally correct in Gencest’s history (though I think it may go back even to the beginning of the fandom c2005/c2006) and that’s what matters. This fic writing challenge is for people who already love Gencest and I’ll be focusing on just that from now on.
Besdies, knowing our dear fandom, something will happen at a con and the old drama machine will move on from a tiny fic challenge.
It should surprised exactly nobody that someone from a certain fanbase is throwing tantrums even about a gen ficathon and also still trying to make it all about THEIR ship and bawwww feel sorry for how we’re badly WE’RE treated. It’s like clockwork with them.
we’ve been perfectly calm and reasonable.
you are also missing the point and deciding that this is about a ship war. no one gives a shit about whether it’s w*ncest or not. people don’t want triggery ships thrown in their face. the issue also is this
if this big bang isn’t for people who love the bro bond minus the *ncest, it’s NOT gen
y’all wanna write w*ncest lite, have at it! tag appropriately and call the spade a spade. i couldn’t care less that you ship it, truly.
i love the bro bond, as do most people. the issue here isn’t some ship war or hate for the bros. we just don’t want -cest slapped onto everything to do with sam&dean and we especially don’t appreciate this insistence that -cest means something other than *ncest
Okay, about this “g*ncest” thing that just cropped up which makes me feel like I splintered back to the year 2006 and aren’t we over this by now…what that is is a bona fide example of toxic masculinity attitudes at work and being valorized by a small number of fans, mostly female.
Adding onto this, because I apparently missed a whole extra limb of this that’s actually patronizing and devaluing genfic. The g*ncest enthusiasts think the -cest has to be tacked on otherwise it won’t be emotionally intense enough and this is why the term was created and g*ncest is just gen but emotionally intense enough and what thehell did I just read
Adding onto this, because I apparently missed a whole extra limb of this that’s actually patronizing and devaluing genfic. The g*ncest enthusiasts think the -cest has to be tacked on otherwise it won’t be emotionally intense enough
That actually wasn’t written anywhere on our social media as it true! You can actually go back and check if you like. Please do not put false words in our mouths. The -cest was added on to show that it’s Sam and Dean specific gen.
and this is why the term was created and g*ncest is just gen but emotionally intense enough and what thehell did I just read
I would like to know that as well, because a lot of false statements are being thrown around here. Do you have a link? Because pretty much everyone knows the -cest in Gencest means Sam & Dean and it’s borrowed from the romantic pairing name of Sam and Dean.
how did you even find this post?
secondly, idgaf what y’all wanna describe it as, adding -cest to everything sam&dean is not ok if it’s not supposed to be incestuous.
“pretty much everyone knows”
nope nah uh they don’t. everyone i’ve come across is confused af. and just because some may know that, it doesn’t make it ok nor does it make SENSE.
also if it’s supposed to be about their bond, why did you tell my friend that it isn’t for her and why did someone else tell me the same thing? that’s exclusionary and indicates that something incestuous is happening.
When searching for gencest on twitter to encourage those talking about signing up for the Bang this was presented as a ‘I’m not piling on, but’ post that I felt warranted a level reply.
Not everyone knows what ‘smarm’ means, and different people have different definitions of anti-shipper (the one in dotthings’ post is just one, but not the most widely used). I don’t think you should use you not understanding it as evidence that others do not.
I didn’t tell dotthings it isn’t for her, she said she doesn’t like it. You are obviously upset about it, so I think it’s logical to assume you don’t like it?
I’ve already explained where the -cest comes from in Gencest and have corrected the misusage numerous times by now so I won’t reiterate, but you can look back on my other post if you didn’t see it. I will say again signing up is completely optional! You’ll never have to sign up for something that makes yo uncomfortable or doesn’t make sense to you.
“Not everyone knows what ‘smarm’ means” and that’s why dot took the time to explain it and why it’s antiquated
and signing up isn’t the issue. it’s this insistence that the suffix -cest means JUST TWO BROS. it DOESNT. y’all wanna write winc*st lite. fine by me. but own up to it or change the name.
I also took the time to explain Gencest. In fact, that’s what my entire post is about. Gencest isn’t antiquated if its still in usage, which is also what others have been complaining about.
Those who write Wincest will write Wincest, but if they’re signing up for the Gencest Bang they’ll be writing Gencest for it. I write Wincest. I’m not ashamed of that. But this isn’t Wincest, so I won’t call diamond a spade.
Did you read my post? in the portion you reblogged I made a note to say I wouldn’t explain the definition again (I explained it, I think, 5 times in the original post), but you can read the original post if you’re hankering for an explanation.
It exerts a lot of energy to respond to what you don’t initially understand with anger. It also makes things messy, as you can see.
ok, look, idk of you read everything dot wrote or what i’ve been writing literally every where here and on twitter but let me try to put it in real life terms
my sister and i have a relationship similar to sam and dean. i’m the oldest sibling that had trouble seeing how i shouldn’t defend our father’s actions. i tried to shield her from harm as much as possible growing up as we grew up in an abusive household. i’d get beat for something she did when i was supposed to be watching her. we are adults that are so close, she goes to me about topics that may be uncomfortable for siblings to discuss because she lives in a plain community (she doesn’t subscribe to most of the other ideals out of clothing and parts of religion) and she obviously can’t talk to her plain friends about it.
would you attach a -cest to that? no! so why do that with fiction?
i’m not uncomfortable with “intense emotional” fics. i LIVE it. i have a problem with you trying to dress up w*ncest as something Fandom Family Friendly
again: own up to the slash fest. don’t try to dress it up in something it isn’t.
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