The Outpost executive producer just popped up out of nowhere and liked a completely untagged tweet on my SPN (not Outpost) fandom account about DeanCas’ sex life.
That’s a thing that just happened.
I can’t breathe
as if him liking and responding to all our queer and poly tweets about his own show isn’t enough
Yeah fam it wasn’t even my Outpost account yo. Like once in a blue moon I’ll post Outpost on my SPN account to try to pull in new fans but I try to divide it to not drag the wank in the door. It’s Bobby>Coyote>CF as my proxies… this was just hashtagged Supernatural??? How did he even find this????
UPDATE
I LOVE HIS DESTIEL TRASH ASS SO MUCH BUT HOW DOES HE KEEP DOING THIS
You know on a scale of 1-10, this was like an 11 for you.
YES FREAKING LOVE THAT MAN
and like i’m used to him at this point liking our gay af tweets for his own show because for one, i use the show tag. BUT THIS WAS A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SHOW AND NOT TAGGED LIKE HOW
Question: Did Sonalii happen to like that tweet since she follows you and me, that it might have popped into his feed, and that he might have liked? I’m wondering if there’s a vein delivering this to him somehow like that.
nope. i looked through his following list and literally no one that liked/rted it is followed by him.
so it’s still a mystery 🤷♀️
I’m so confused.
welcome to my life! he had to have been lurking, but was it my account specifically or another one of us?
I’m gonna call it like I see it. That post, from 2012 – the phrasing and runaround of incest-not-incest-gen-not-gen-intense-relationship, and even the punctuation style, it’s all identical to the current account trying to pimp out this idea. They’re using the very same replies like a copy paste marketing agent. They struggled to sell the idea back then and they’re trying to re-sell it now, and it’s going to get approval from the same people it got in 2012. Remember when I did a backlog search and said most of its usage cropped up in 2012? It was around that thread. Prior to that, there were a grand total of two fics, one in 2005 and one in 2006, tagged that.
That post epicentered around trying to convince people “Gencest” was a name for existing Sam & Dean fiction while trying to parallel it to Destiel fanfics, if I remember the wanky pages I viewed correctly. It was an inflationist cheesy competitional rhetoric that other people were going “Dafuq?” back in 2012 and they’re doing it now because it never took off beyond about a dozen fics after that.
This whole “It’s an old fandom guard! You must live under a rock! Everybody knows!” elitist attitude is particularly hilariously bad because this is literally a repeating cycle. Nobody knew then and barely anybody knew about it now. The strangest form of gatekeeping I ever-did-see: “If you don’t know about this tag, which has been used on less than 30 fanfics from the dawn of time and is even casually mentioned only 420 times on the entire internet, you’re not a tru old guard fan, everybody knows.” – That’s more of a really-bad-attempt at insult to injurious action against people blockading out the topic effectively with blacklists, which is the true issue at hand here, while otherwise kidnapping away S&D fics that might BE harmless into the wanky pile from people who would otherwise read it if it isn’t incesty.
No fam, your moderately-among-your-own-closest-friends-kind-of-locally-successful-tag-from-2012 is not definitive of “old fandom” or “things everybody knows.” And if your reach ends there, that kind of says a lot.
Bruh
“Everybody knows! The power of the old fandom compels you!”
Bruh
And half of that is you telling everybody they should know what it is.
1. interesting theory that seems to make sense given that they were also terrible back then at defending it as just genfic
sound familiar?
“And half of that is you telling everybody they should know what it is.”
RIGHT? like damn. i did a google search and legit most of the results were people asking wtf it meant
ITS NOT A WELLKNOWN TERM
like damn even teens know what “slash” means, and it’s not widely used as much anymore. it has nothing to do with being old and everything with weirdly forcing everyone to accept a term you made up.
OWN
IT
And that’s not even tackling what’s behind your first cut. Seriously, chriss. Take your first cut. Take the answers. Side by side both the confusion from people then, and the answers being given by the person endorsing it then and you have a verbatim, pretty much copy-paste set of conflicting answers just like back then, in 2012, when nobody knew what it was either, before generating half of the google responses asking “dafuq?” and answering back. You know, that swimming number I posted up there.
It’s someone that’s trying to hack and slash (pun) their way into having some ancient ass tag. Bro, lmao, no. I could probably find some complete crack tag from 05-06 that was on 1-2 fics, but I promise you if I had revived it 7, or now 13 years later acting like it was some ancient fandom lore because I tried to boot the idea and failed five years ago, everybody would be calling that shit out too.
Atop the truly, dangerously problematic issue in this (exposure to triggers with poorly defined and conflicting descriptors and/or theft-away of potential clean material that people will avoid because of the poorly defined and conflicting descriptors that are trying to avoid the trigger content), the ridiculous and outright looney part of this is pretending that because someone got a dozen close friends using it 5 years ago it’s some Founding Fathers Tradition Everybody Knows And Clearly You’re Just A Noob If You Don’t.
Your friend group does not define the fandom. I can not cite this enough.
And GBang would try to clap back “yours neither!” but no, actual yielded content, history, and digital receipts speak it pretty well.
*rubs temples* i just…. there’s just not enough of it to justify calling it an old fandom term. like in, what, two years? the small pair of sam/rowena is more than what gencest is. and it’s been around for waaaay less than gencest.
91! 9. 1. ninety-one fics on ao3. that’s not counting what’s floating on here.
“your friend group does not define the fandom”
perfect example: we both know people who tried to make jmj, a newer version of j2m, a thing. and did it ever take off? no. i literally knew i had to explain that acronym because it didn’t. a handful of people at most know what it is. and if they tried five years down the road to insist that it’s an old well-known fandom term, people are going to have the same “tf is that” reaction you’re seeing with confused people re gencest
(except not really the same because people are objecting to more than just the name now; now it’s the behavior and who it’s being marketed towards)
Yes, this. Exactly. The JMJ thing. We know who made it. We know a lot of personal friends that used it for a little while. But we’re not huffing enough crack to claim you’re a newbie or somehow not-ITK for not knowing it, but funny enough-
As niche and cracky as JMJ’s usage is, and as much humility as you displayed in calling that point out, its usage is about 125x higher than “Gencest”. Let that sink in.
Now, I will argue that even with the “Supernatural” word quoted, there may be some arbitrary image string letters coming in and the ilk, and realistically scrolling through the results we can see they aren’t all SPN so-
I gave it a whole other qualifier, an extra threshold of search clarification above what was given to theirs and
Oh. Wild.
Wait.
So there’s 3 more results for “SPN”+”J2M”+”JMJ” than there even are “gencest.”
JMJ, of course, being a term started about a year ago, casually, among one limited friend group and their immediate contacts.
Old guard must have some really lax usage. And if you’re worried, you can reclarify the results. I just put this in the google field: "JMJ"+“Supernatural”+“J2M”
This of course requires all three clearly and got 340 results. It’s fucking wild. Almost like gencest is a non-idea someone keeps remarketing and trying to convince people is ancient history when it isn’t.
Never was. Never will be. That, or you can go tell Sissa her tag is secretly super fandom famous and everybody knows it, and she just didn’t know it.
oh my god i— the term has been around for a year and it’s on par with what they’re claiming is an old fandom term
The worst thing is I legit know that was like, IDK, maybe five people that dedicated to use the term when it started. They used it recurringly for a few months here or there, maybe talked a few other people into using it temporarily, and that was it. And it reached that same capacity, including being listed on SuperWiki, since that’s being flagged around like some indicator of Ancient Authority.
Also if you check the respective tags, JMJ on tumblr turns up a variety of results but a bunch are SPN of… JMJ! If you check Gencest, there’s…. three Wincest fics, wank about this, and an unrelated post. There’s legit nothing else. Now, once this bang goes off, there may be a whole… I dunno! Maybe a dozen tagged posts! Before it wanes into oblivion.
In fact, SUPER DUPER wild, for this being an “old fandom” thing that “everybody knew”, while there are legit like no posts about gencest on tumblr before this hot mess, the “platonic wincest” topic we’ve heard them arguing for the last year or two DOES have a bunch of posts. WILD. Wasn’t she saying that’s what it was? Platonic Wincest? Or is it something different now? Because she danced that about 52 times. But boy, I guess those hundreds of “Platonic Wincest” posts on tumblr are all people that live under rocks according to their standard. Oh, and Kelios and Angie. They must live under rocks too, because IIRC, they’ve been using “Platonic Wincest” and not “Gencest” frequently.
There is zero realistic universe where this has ever been a tag, title, or object of popularity. And frankly, they know it too. A few probably embarrassedly checked after heckling a “LOL DO U LIVE UNDER A ROCK” at some folks, realizing they hadn’t heard it either and realizing it isn’t a thing. They’re just arguing it to argue at this point, while gencest bang lies through their teeth about the ancient fandom origins of the term, the mightiness of its reach, et cetera et cetera. You know, the ancient thing that isn’t on twitter, tumblr, livejournal, ffnet, google…
So yeah. Laugh.
And hopefully someone out there experiences some peak of embarrassment at the papertrail – and mostly lack-thereof that led us straight to their LJ origins of this foundation – while they played old guard superiors. A simple google search shows they’re a compulsive liar trying to build some weird fandom legacy off of a tag they eternally struggle to sell.
Just because we haven’t been banging pots and pans online the whole time doesn’t mean we haven’t been watching shit. There’s a reason I came into this fandom locked and loaded with charts from day 1. And some of the people loudly protesting HAVE been banging pots and pans since day one.
Very possibly likely older fucks than them.
Wait, they’re saying this is a term that was used in the old days? I was in the fandom then, specifically J2. I was very familiar and on speaking terms with about 80% of j2 and wincest authors (something that makes me cringe now, unfortunately). We NEVER used/saw this term. I was in on LJ from season one through half way through four. I left when everyone turned into nasty bitches about Cas and Misha cause I thought he was great.
tl;dr. NO ONE IN THE ORIGINAL FANDOM EVER USED THIS TERM. EVER.
hey thanks for saying something!
they also tried to call it pre-slash which is more wider known, but i’ve NEVER seen it referred to sibling gen fics. and i’ve been in fandoms since i was 15 (i’m 31 now)
also a heads up for everyone, they spent three hours relentlessly stalking my twitter and tagging me in long stand-alone tweet threads.
I’m gonna call it like I see it. That post, from 2012 – the phrasing and runaround of incest-not-incest-gen-not-gen-intense-relationship, and even the punctuation style, it’s all identical to the current account trying to pimp out this idea. They’re using the very same replies like a copy paste marketing agent. They struggled to sell the idea back then and they’re trying to re-sell it now, and it’s going to get approval from the same people it got in 2012. Remember when I did a backlog search and said most of its usage cropped up in 2012? It was around that thread. Prior to that, there were a grand total of two fics, one in 2005 and one in 2006, tagged that.
That post epicentered around trying to convince people “Gencest” was a name for existing Sam & Dean fiction while trying to parallel it to Destiel fanfics, if I remember the wanky pages I viewed correctly. It was an inflationist cheesy competitional rhetoric that other people were going “Dafuq?” back in 2012 and they’re doing it now because it never took off beyond about a dozen fics after that.
This whole “It’s an old fandom guard! You must live under a rock! Everybody knows!” elitist attitude is particularly hilariously bad because this is literally a repeating cycle. Nobody knew then and barely anybody knew about it now. The strangest form of gatekeeping I ever-did-see: “If you don’t know about this tag, which has been used on less than 30 fanfics from the dawn of time and is even casually mentioned only 420 times on the entire internet, you’re not a tru old guard fan, everybody knows.” – That’s more of a really-bad-attempt at insult to injurious action against people blockading out the topic effectively with blacklists, which is the true issue at hand here, while otherwise kidnapping away S&D fics that might BE harmless into the wanky pile from people who would otherwise read it if it isn’t incesty.
No fam, your moderately-among-your-own-closest-friends-kind-of-locally-successful-tag-from-2012 is not definitive of “old fandom” or “things everybody knows.” And if your reach ends there, that kind of says a lot.
Bruh
“Everybody knows! The power of the old fandom compels you!”
Bruh
And half of that is you telling everybody they should know what it is.
1. interesting theory that seems to make sense given that they were also terrible back then at defending it as just genfic
sound familiar?
“And half of that is you telling everybody they should know what it is.”
RIGHT? like damn. i did a google search and legit most of the results were people asking wtf it meant
ITS NOT A WELLKNOWN TERM
like damn even teens know what “slash” means, and it’s not widely used as much anymore. it has nothing to do with being old and everything with weirdly forcing everyone to accept a term you made up.
OWN
IT
And that’s not even tackling what’s behind your first cut. Seriously, chriss. Take your first cut. Take the answers. Side by side both the confusion from people then, and the answers being given by the person endorsing it then and you have a verbatim, pretty much copy-paste set of conflicting answers just like back then, in 2012, when nobody knew what it was either, before generating half of the google responses asking “dafuq?” and answering back. You know, that swimming number I posted up there.
It’s someone that’s trying to hack and slash (pun) their way into having some ancient ass tag. Bro, lmao, no. I could probably find some complete crack tag from 05-06 that was on 1-2 fics, but I promise you if I had revived it 7, or now 13 years later acting like it was some ancient fandom lore because I tried to boot the idea and failed five years ago, everybody would be calling that shit out too.
Atop the truly, dangerously problematic issue in this (exposure to triggers with poorly defined and conflicting descriptors and/or theft-away of potential clean material that people will avoid because of the poorly defined and conflicting descriptors that are trying to avoid the trigger content), the ridiculous and outright looney part of this is pretending that because someone got a dozen close friends using it 5 years ago it’s some Founding Fathers Tradition Everybody Knows And Clearly You’re Just A Noob If You Don’t.
Your friend group does not define the fandom. I can not cite this enough.
And GBang would try to clap back “yours neither!” but no, actual yielded content, history, and digital receipts speak it pretty well.
*rubs temples* i just…. there’s just not enough of it to justify calling it an old fandom term. like in, what, two years? the small pair of sam/rowena is more than what gencest is. and it’s been around for waaaay less than gencest.
91! 9. 1. ninety-one fics on ao3. that’s not counting what’s floating on here.
“your friend group does not define the fandom”
perfect example: we both know people who tried to make jmj, a newer version of j2m, a thing. and did it ever take off? no. i literally knew i had to explain that acronym because it didn’t. a handful of people at most know what it is. and if they tried five years down the road to insist that it’s an old well-known fandom term, people are going to have the same “tf is that” reaction you’re seeing with confused people re gencest
(except not really the same because people are objecting to more than just the name now; now it’s the behavior and who it’s being marketed towards)
Yes, this. Exactly. The JMJ thing. We know who made it. We know a lot of personal friends that used it for a little while. But we’re not huffing enough crack to claim you’re a newbie or somehow not-ITK for not knowing it, but funny enough-
As niche and cracky as JMJ’s usage is, and as much humility as you displayed in calling that point out, its usage is about 125x higher than “Gencest”. Let that sink in.
Now, I will argue that even with the “Supernatural” word quoted, there may be some arbitrary image string letters coming in and the ilk, and realistically scrolling through the results we can see they aren’t all SPN so-
I gave it a whole other qualifier, an extra threshold of search clarification above what was given to theirs and
Oh. Wild.
Wait.
So there’s 3 more results for “SPN”+”J2M”+”JMJ” than there even are “gencest.”
JMJ, of course, being a term started about a year ago, casually, among one limited friend group and their immediate contacts.
Old guard must have some really lax usage. And if you’re worried, you can reclarify the results. I just put this in the google field: "JMJ"+“Supernatural”+“J2M”
This of course requires all three clearly and got 340 results. It’s fucking wild. Almost like gencest is a non-idea someone keeps remarketing and trying to convince people is ancient history when it isn’t.
Never was. Never will be. That, or you can go tell Sissa her tag is secretly super fandom famous and everybody knows it, and she just didn’t know it.
oh my god i— the term has been around for a year and it’s on par with what they’re claiming is an old fandom term
The worst thing is I legit know that was like, IDK, maybe five people that dedicated to use the term when it started. They used it recurringly for a few months here or there, maybe talked a few other people into using it temporarily, and that was it. And it reached that same capacity, including being listed on SuperWiki, since that’s being flagged around like some indicator of Ancient Authority.
Also if you check the respective tags, JMJ on tumblr turns up a variety of results but a bunch are SPN of… JMJ! If you check Gencest, there’s…. three Wincest fics, wank about this, and an unrelated post. There’s legit nothing else. Now, once this bang goes off, there may be a whole… I dunno! Maybe a dozen tagged posts! Before it wanes into oblivion.
In fact, SUPER DUPER wild, for this being an “old fandom” thing that “everybody knew”, while there are legit like no posts about gencest on tumblr before this hot mess, the “platonic wincest” topic we’ve heard them arguing for the last year or two DOES have a bunch of posts. WILD. Wasn’t she saying that’s what it was? Platonic Wincest? Or is it something different now? Because she danced that about 52 times. But boy, I guess those hundreds of “Platonic Wincest” posts on tumblr are all people that live under rocks according to their standard. Oh, and Kelios and Angie. They must live under rocks too, because IIRC, they’ve been using “Platonic Wincest” and not “Gencest” frequently.
There is zero realistic universe where this has ever been a tag, title, or object of popularity. And frankly, they know it too. A few probably embarrassedly checked after heckling a “LOL DO U LIVE UNDER A ROCK” at some folks, realizing they hadn’t heard it either and realizing it isn’t a thing. They’re just arguing it to argue at this point, while gencest bang lies through their teeth about the ancient fandom origins of the term, the mightiness of its reach, et cetera et cetera. You know, the ancient thing that isn’t on twitter, tumblr, livejournal, ffnet, google…
honestly, i don’t want to accuse them but why do i have the feeling given their responses on sm that their intent was to only attract wincest shippers that they knew would flock to it because of our pushback?
I’m gonna call it like I see it. That post, from 2012 – the phrasing and runaround of incest-not-incest-gen-not-gen-intense-relationship, and even the punctuation style, it’s all identical to the current account trying to pimp out this idea. They’re using the very same replies like a copy paste marketing agent. They struggled to sell the idea back then and they’re trying to re-sell it now, and it’s going to get approval from the same people it got in 2012. Remember when I did a backlog search and said most of its usage cropped up in 2012? It was around that thread. Prior to that, there were a grand total of two fics, one in 2005 and one in 2006, tagged that.
That post epicentered around trying to convince people “Gencest” was a name for existing Sam & Dean fiction while trying to parallel it to Destiel fanfics, if I remember the wanky pages I viewed correctly. It was an inflationist cheesy competitional rhetoric that other people were going “Dafuq?” back in 2012 and they’re doing it now because it never took off beyond about a dozen fics after that.
This whole “It’s an old fandom guard! You must live under a rock! Everybody knows!” elitist attitude is particularly hilariously bad because this is literally a repeating cycle. Nobody knew then and barely anybody knew about it now. The strangest form of gatekeeping I ever-did-see: “If you don’t know about this tag, which has been used on less than 30 fanfics from the dawn of time and is even casually mentioned only 420 times on the entire internet, you’re not a tru old guard fan, everybody knows.” – That’s more of a really-bad-attempt at insult to injurious action against people blockading out the topic effectively with blacklists, which is the true issue at hand here, while otherwise kidnapping away S&D fics that might BE harmless into the wanky pile from people who would otherwise read it if it isn’t incesty.
No fam, your moderately-among-your-own-closest-friends-kind-of-locally-successful-tag-from-2012 is not definitive of “old fandom” or “things everybody knows.” And if your reach ends there, that kind of says a lot.
Bruh
“Everybody knows! The power of the old fandom compels you!”
Bruh
And half of that is you telling everybody they should know what it is.
1. interesting theory that seems to make sense given that they were also terrible back then at defending it as just genfic
sound familiar?
“And half of that is you telling everybody they should know what it is.”
RIGHT? like damn. i did a google search and legit most of the results were people asking wtf it meant
ITS NOT A WELLKNOWN TERM
like damn even teens know what “slash” means, and it’s not widely used as much anymore. it has nothing to do with being old and everything with weirdly forcing everyone to accept a term you made up.
OWN
IT
And that’s not even tackling what’s behind your first cut. Seriously, chriss. Take your first cut. Take the answers. Side by side both the confusion from people then, and the answers being given by the person endorsing it then and you have a verbatim, pretty much copy-paste set of conflicting answers just like back then, in 2012, when nobody knew what it was either, before generating half of the google responses asking “dafuq?” and answering back. You know, that swimming number I posted up there.
It’s someone that’s trying to hack and slash (pun) their way into having some ancient ass tag. Bro, lmao, no. I could probably find some complete crack tag from 05-06 that was on 1-2 fics, but I promise you if I had revived it 7, or now 13 years later acting like it was some ancient fandom lore because I tried to boot the idea and failed five years ago, everybody would be calling that shit out too.
Atop the truly, dangerously problematic issue in this (exposure to triggers with poorly defined and conflicting descriptors and/or theft-away of potential clean material that people will avoid because of the poorly defined and conflicting descriptors that are trying to avoid the trigger content), the ridiculous and outright looney part of this is pretending that because someone got a dozen close friends using it 5 years ago it’s some Founding Fathers Tradition Everybody Knows And Clearly You’re Just A Noob If You Don’t.
Your friend group does not define the fandom. I can not cite this enough.
And GBang would try to clap back “yours neither!” but no, actual yielded content, history, and digital receipts speak it pretty well.
*rubs temples* i just…. there’s just not enough of it to justify calling it an old fandom term. like in, what, two years? the small pair of sam/rowena is more than what gencest is. and it’s been around for waaaay less than gencest.
91! 9. 1. ninety-one fics on ao3. that’s not counting what’s floating on here.
“your friend group does not define the fandom”
perfect example: we both know people who tried to make jmj, a newer version of j2m, a thing. and did it ever take off? no. i literally knew i had to explain that acronym because it didn’t. a handful of people at most know what it is. and if they tried five years down the road to insist that it’s an old well-known fandom term, people are going to have the same “tf is that” reaction you’re seeing with confused people re gencest
(except not really the same because people are objecting to more than just the name now; now it’s the behavior and who it’s being marketed towards)
Yes, this. Exactly. The JMJ thing. We know who made it. We know a lot of personal friends that used it for a little while. But we’re not huffing enough crack to claim you’re a newbie or somehow not-ITK for not knowing it, but funny enough-
As niche and cracky as JMJ’s usage is, and as much humility as you displayed in calling that point out, its usage is about 125x higher than “Gencest”. Let that sink in.
Now, I will argue that even with the “Supernatural” word quoted, there may be some arbitrary image string letters coming in and the ilk, and realistically scrolling through the results we can see they aren’t all SPN so-
I gave it a whole other qualifier, an extra threshold of search clarification above what was given to theirs and
Oh. Wild.
Wait.
So there’s 3 more results for “SPN”+”J2M”+”JMJ” than there even are “gencest.”
JMJ, of course, being a term started about a year ago, casually, among one limited friend group and their immediate contacts.
Old guard must have some really lax usage. And if you’re worried, you can reclarify the results. I just put this in the google field: "JMJ"+“Supernatural”+“J2M”
This of course requires all three clearly and got 340 results. It’s fucking wild. Almost like gencest is a non-idea someone keeps remarketing and trying to convince people is ancient history when it isn’t.
Never was. Never will be. That, or you can go tell Sissa her tag is secretly super fandom famous and everybody knows it, and she just didn’t know it.
oh my god i— the term has been around for a year and it’s on par with what they’re claiming is an old fandom term
I’m gonna call it like I see it. That post, from 2012 – the phrasing and runaround of incest-not-incest-gen-not-gen-intense-relationship, and even the punctuation style, it’s all identical to the current account trying to pimp out this idea. They’re using the very same replies like a copy paste marketing agent. They struggled to sell the idea back then and they’re trying to re-sell it now, and it’s going to get approval from the same people it got in 2012. Remember when I did a backlog search and said most of its usage cropped up in 2012? It was around that thread. Prior to that, there were a grand total of two fics, one in 2005 and one in 2006, tagged that.
That post epicentered around trying to convince people “Gencest” was a name for existing Sam & Dean fiction while trying to parallel it to Destiel fanfics, if I remember the wanky pages I viewed correctly. It was an inflationist cheesy competitional rhetoric that other people were going “Dafuq?” back in 2012 and they’re doing it now because it never took off beyond about a dozen fics after that.
This whole “It’s an old fandom guard! You must live under a rock! Everybody knows!” elitist attitude is particularly hilariously bad because this is literally a repeating cycle. Nobody knew then and barely anybody knew about it now. The strangest form of gatekeeping I ever-did-see: “If you don’t know about this tag, which has been used on less than 30 fanfics from the dawn of time and is even casually mentioned only 420 times on the entire internet, you’re not a tru old guard fan, everybody knows.” – That’s more of a really-bad-attempt at insult to injurious action against people blockading out the topic effectively with blacklists, which is the true issue at hand here, while otherwise kidnapping away S&D fics that might BE harmless into the wanky pile from people who would otherwise read it if it isn’t incesty.
No fam, your moderately-among-your-own-closest-friends-kind-of-locally-successful-tag-from-2012 is not definitive of “old fandom” or “things everybody knows.” And if your reach ends there, that kind of says a lot.
Bruh
“Everybody knows! The power of the old fandom compels you!”
Bruh
And half of that is you telling everybody they should know what it is.
1. interesting theory that seems to make sense given that they were also terrible back then at defending it as just genfic
sound familiar?
“And half of that is you telling everybody they should know what it is.”
RIGHT? like damn. i did a google search and legit most of the results were people asking wtf it meant
ITS NOT A WELLKNOWN TERM
like damn even teens know what “slash” means, and it’s not widely used as much anymore. it has nothing to do with being old and everything with weirdly forcing everyone to accept a term you made up.
OWN
IT
And that’s not even tackling what’s behind your first cut. Seriously, chriss. Take your first cut. Take the answers. Side by side both the confusion from people then, and the answers being given by the person endorsing it then and you have a verbatim, pretty much copy-paste set of conflicting answers just like back then, in 2012, when nobody knew what it was either, before generating half of the google responses asking “dafuq?” and answering back. You know, that swimming number I posted up there.
It’s someone that’s trying to hack and slash (pun) their way into having some ancient ass tag. Bro, lmao, no. I could probably find some complete crack tag from 05-06 that was on 1-2 fics, but I promise you if I had revived it 7, or now 13 years later acting like it was some ancient fandom lore because I tried to boot the idea and failed five years ago, everybody would be calling that shit out too.
Atop the truly, dangerously problematic issue in this (exposure to triggers with poorly defined and conflicting descriptors and/or theft-away of potential clean material that people will avoid because of the poorly defined and conflicting descriptors that are trying to avoid the trigger content), the ridiculous and outright looney part of this is pretending that because someone got a dozen close friends using it 5 years ago it’s some Founding Fathers Tradition Everybody Knows And Clearly You’re Just A Noob If You Don’t.
Your friend group does not define the fandom. I can not cite this enough.
And GBang would try to clap back “yours neither!” but no, actual yielded content, history, and digital receipts speak it pretty well.
*rubs temples* i just…. there’s just not enough of it to justify calling it an old fandom term. like in, what, two years? the small pair of sam/rowena is more than what gencest is. and it’s been around for waaaay less than gencest.
91! 9. 1. ninety-one fics on ao3. that’s not counting what’s floating on here.
“your friend group does not define the fandom”
perfect example: we both know people who tried to make jmj, a newer version of j2m, a thing. and did it ever take off? no. i literally knew i had to explain that acronym because it didn’t. a handful of people at most know what it is. and if they tried five years down the road to insist that it’s an old well-known fandom term, people are going to have the same “tf is that” reaction you’re seeing with confused people re gencest
(except not really the same because people are objecting to more than just the name now; now it’s the behavior and who it’s being marketed towards)
Negativity has consumed every part of the fandom. It’s not just Destiel. Stan twitter/tumblr/whatever will be pissy no matter what they’re given.
Last year? Sure Sam has emotional stuff but he needs plot! Give him story presence! This year? Sam being a leader is trash! Let him talk about his feelings history with Dean!
Last year? And the last few years? Dean’s overstressed! He’s overworked! Sam’s the one that gets all the emotional stuff! Let Dean breathe! This year? How dare Dabb let Sam take over! You’re taking Dean’s place in the group! Nevermind that Dean isn’t being painted incompetent and helped lead Sam back into confidence!
And whenever they try to manage both in seasons? Hoo boy. So and so doesn’t deserve it or this or that and the character stanning only intensifies.
Last year – do you get where I’m going with this?
This fandom is fucking toxic if you’re gauging anything off of how stan twitter is feeling. Characters, relationships, anything. There are always people dying to be pissed off about something and even when they’re finally happy about something another group of people dying to be pissed off about something are there waiting to take over, and generally they overlap, or double back on what they happened to want before and spit on it when they’re given it.
Destiel fandom is only different in that not only are we getting pissy moods about a relationship we’re also managing two character viewpoints and reasons to be pissy from a character level in stan fandom.
I’m going to add to this by saying: How many people feeling this are people who binge watched at least a portion of the show? Any portion. Years ago even. Maybe when it uploaded to Netflix? Season 7? When did you join live? And most importantly, when did you join stan twitter fandom, and when did you start feeling bitter about everything? Were you this bitter all the time before you joined standom? Probably not. As in the above cut post, it’s a mass hysteria effect that borders on mass hallucination at times, imagining global sleights from people you trained yourself into thinking had a similar scope to you, but maligning what was once material and content you would have enjoyed.
Consider it deeply before deciding that just because whatever wing you’re in (and this must be a respectively small wing, because I have dozens if not hundreds of happy friends at current in my wing and have only run into a few complaints, likely from another branch of Destiel fandom, of which there are many among dozens of thousands of fans) stands for the voice of everybody and, if you’re seeing too much negativity about things you used to enjoy that are making it less enjoyable, I might suggest reviewing your options and tailoring your timeline.
Standom turns fanning into a competitive sport about who can be the most pissed off, whether people are realize that’s the hunger games they’ve been thrown into or not. The first step is to honestly step away from standom and rejoin fandom. It can be difficult to discern which is which, since we casually joke “I stan,” but go listen to Eminem’s “Stan” which created the name, and review if you’re on a parallel slide, or if the lane around you is to start dragging you down the course, off the bridge and into the wank waters.
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1. re: echo chambers: that’s why it’s healthy to be around people that have differing opinions. you end up seeing different viewpoints and seeing things from a different angle. like, there were people i now consider friends that didn’t immediately coo over jack and it helped put things in perspective for me instead of a constant motherly reaction to a perceived negative tweet about him
2. ditto the thing about stan sm. if y’all listen to that minority, it sounds like the show is on the verge of cancelling when it’s not. and it can even hurt because characters and actors and even members of tptb you hold dear are raged at because THAT particular stan corner can’t stand them for some reason.
3. to answer your added question (which was supposed to be mentally reflective i’m sure but lmaoooo), i started watching in s9. watched on the app and then live a few episodes before the finale.
hellatus between s9-s10 i was being a little bitter because i was listening to some assholes in destiel tumblr fandom that cas deserves better than dean. it lasted a very short while because then s10 happened and i was back to crying about wanting my babes together.
i also kind of isolated myself from fandom from 2014-2017, so that helped de-bitter me. was just lurking around, live tweeting when i could. reading fics. reblogging gifs and destiel-positive it’s-going-somewhere posts. interacting with others when i felt up to interacting with strangers. so i know about shit that went down.
now i have a much better fandom experience because @intelligentshipper pretty much dragged me out of the shadows and ever since then i realized that yeah, being more active means you see more of the shitty stan side, but it helps oddly enough? because you can mute those people or block them (and yeah i know it won’t solve every problem in fandom but it helps). you can surround yourself like i did with people that just enjoy the show and don’t rage unless it’s something that deserves it (like the gross sexualizing of lucifer taking sister jo’s grace, for example BLECH).
it’s freaking needed to protect your mental health, for one, and for another i don’t remember enjoying my overall experience with the show and the fandom as much as i do now. my default to most hate-rage now is laughter. like “LMAO WHERE ARE THEY EVEN GETTING THAT FROM”.
in conclusion to this long ass essay: ignore extreme stans by taking some of the steps i described. it might help you like it did me.
Sonalii asked why Mary was wearing Castiel’s trenchcoat and visibly staggered and sputtered over it.
Dabb getting everybody asking the right questions.
She also seemed to reverse connect that they’re “hinting at that” now. What “that” is, we can take a guess, since she’s not a shipper. Or you know, doesn’t identify as one.
When I talk about the moving line our canon is giving us, this is what I mean.
The GA, outside of ideas of ships, have simply shifted where they’re even negotiating from. A non-shipping general viewer not involved in any mainline fandom and not receiving prompts literally just negotiated expecting Mobby to become a thing, from seeing Destiel connotations in wardrobe, after missing the subtler hints in AU world of growing close, long before the episode reached its end.
Teehee.
I JUST
SHE WAS GOING ON ABOUT THE OUTFITS FOR TWO MINUTES
here have some key giffed moments from her live stream under the cut
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bonus! my casual non-shipper friend messaged me while i was making these because she was watching the episode finally
Borky tumblr stuff aside, reblogging. For science. You should probably gif the part where she was like “I guess they’re hinting at that huh”
i’m on it
it seems like she’s talking about destiel to me. because she had just read a comment from the chat that mentioned it, so the flow of the conversation/thought seemed to say that’s what she was talking about….
✗ STOP harassing SPN actors on the show over your ship ✗ STOP bashing Jensen Ackles for not supporting your ship ✗ STOP bullying, threatening and harassing other shippers within the SPN fandom for not shipping or supporting Destiel ✗ STOP invading other shipper tags that isn’t the Destiel tag ✗ STOP bullying and harassing the SPN writers over your ship ✗ STOP calling Jensen Ackles homophobic for not shipping/liking Destiel ✗ STOP bashing J2′s families (including their kids) for not supporting Destiel ✗ STOP complaining about Supernatural being about the Winchester brothers ✗ STOP asking Destiel questions or ship-related questions to actors at cons ✗ STOP trying to push for Destiel to become canon on the show (because it’s NEVER going to happen) ✗ STOP disrespecting people for not supporting your ship ✗ STOP using Destiel as a tool for LGBTQ+ representation on television (it’s very problematic, especially when the characters are canonically not gay to begin with) ✗ STOP trying to erase Sam and Dean’s relationship and bond to suit Destiel ✗ STOP forcing others into trying to ship Destiel ✗ STOP harassing Jensen on social media (Twitter AND Facebook) by insulting him and sending him death threats just because he doesn’t ship or support Destiel ✗ STOP erasing Sam Winchester from the show or the narrative to prop up Destiel ✗ STOP bashing Jared Padalecki for getting in the way of “Cockles” ✗ STOP bashing Sam Winchester because you feel he gets in the way of Destiel happening ✗ STOP making Sam Winchester a cheerleader for Destiel on the show ✗ STOP erasing Dean Winchester’s canon sexuality (which is straight or heterosexual) in order to cater to your ship ✗ STOP making everything that happens on the show about Destiel
✗ JUST STOP.
DESTIEL EXISTS
Let me get this straight.
1. We DON’T harrass Spn actors over our ship. If someone from the destiel fandom ever does so ( chances are nearly zero), we got the guts to effectively call them out.
2. We DON’T bully their wives and their family because they dont support our ship or whatever. THIS, in fact is the primary characteristic of the J2 tinhats who hate on Danneel, Gen, Misha and even JJ.
3. We DON’T “erase” Sam from the narrative to prop up our ship. INFACT, every good Destiel fanfic I’ve read has a very well structured storyline for Sam. AND, most of the destiel shippers ADORE Sam( I mean, who doesn’t right!?). Just because the i*cest shippers tend to exclude Cas and hate on Misha doesn’t mean WE, the destiel shippers stoop down to their level. Pff.
4. We don’t make everything that happens on the show about destiel. Destiel is literally ingrained on the depths of the show. Its there. Its in the canon. Whether or not one can see it, the facts remain. Idc,ship whatever you want ( except incest and pedophilia) but please stop trying to invalidate other’s ships.
5. Basically what Im trying to say is, get your facts straight. And we’re good.
I mean, I don’t know what else to add. The projection here is STRONG.
√ We don’t harass the crew, In fact, whenever antis see it get “too Destiel” in the show, they pour into TPTB’s mentions yelling about pandering. Like, something supposedly doesn’t exist, but is there enough to yell about pandering. Doublecheck.
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√ Uh, we don’t? In fact, we generally defend him and say it’s antis choosing to spin his quotes entirely out of context and paint him in a bad light to future studios in an increasingly queer-positive culture? There’s a few outliers in FakeWoke, which may at times have overlap with Destiel fans, since Destiel fandom is so huge, but we call them out and shut them down. Don’t get it all twisted in your head.
√ “Stop invading other ship tags,” says the wing of the fandom that compulsively can’t stop shitposting into the Destiel fandom tag bitching about nonsensical trash for a week, with no actual receipts of anyone invading any fandom tags. The closest I’ve seen is someone losing their shit about a post I tagged #megstiel critical, which apparently puts it into the #megstiel tag cuz reasons (and despite my disclaimer that I don’t tumblr often and know all the rodeo rules, everybody planted in their head as some sinister plan to piss them off, because you guys literally can’t stop ship warring), which wasn’t even Destielcentric, but used each other as a foil against themselves in dual narrative painting. With an extra disclaimer. And a cut. Meaning people can choose to open it or not. Self care is in your ballpark, m8.
√ Again, we don’t. That would be the antis and tinhats. See
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√ Again, we don’t. That would be the antis and tinhats. See above reply. It’s funny that y’all can’t separate your horse shit when at the same time tinhats just cocked up a huge (bullshit) narrative about Destiel fans “pretending” to be wife fans in some Misha-led conspiracy, because it’s public knowledge their wives are adored. Even this side of the fence’s tinhat ship (of which I am not part) has an inclusive narrative that uptalks the wives as part of it, unlike the J2 hat ship, which calls them money grubbing beards. You have this backwards.
√ Complaining about SPN being about the Winchester brothers just isn’t a thing, fam. Now, literally every stan type gets pissy about the treatment of their character/actor, whether Destiel or not. If we lift the rock they hide under, Sam stans are eternally bitching that it isn’t enough Sam POV, Dean stans are eternally bitching about Dean being overpressed and yes, Cas fans often bitch about his application. Pretending to make this anything other than peak salty standom in all lanes shows you have blinkers on.
√ Lmao when people get as pissy about straight ship questions, like Megstiel, as any queer (and NOT TRIGGER CONTENT) ships, then we’ll talk your ship question point, though generally I advise people not to for their own well being, considering they tend to get violently attacked for doing so afterward.
√ Good luck about the canon thing. You may want to go have a talk with Bobo Berens. There’s this nagging thing where he’s gonna keep coming a bigger issue for your narrative like he has for the last five years, almost every episode. Godspeed.
√ Using the word “problematic” doesn’t make it problematic, if you’re just using it to sound buzzy and woke. Problematic is things like the deletionism of bisexual Dean content like Drowley, conflating arguments like claiming it’s because he turned evil/a demon, or everything displayed in the recent DreamHunter showdown. Because, again, Bobo Berens. Nice try though. A+ attempt on word usage.
√ Nobody erases Sam for Destiel. Fuck, there’s a goddamn Sam Knows hashtag about it. Also the #1 affiliated word with Sabriel is Destiel, because people want him to have a strong supporting relationship too. I’m not a Sabriel fan, but this is hilarious. If by “deletion” you mean “not exclusively glued only up Dean’s ass while Dean continues to get extended support that diversifies his plot application, then complain in the show that Sam isn’t getting enough plot,” sure, but you mispelled a hell of a lot of things then.
√ Nobody does that. Nobody bashes Jared for Cockles. Again, this is you confusing what J2 Tinhats do in a supreme display of projection and confusion about what’s going on. There’s a reason there’s videos like “shipper Jared” on the loose on youtube, and it’s not just about Destiel. Catch a clue.
√ You keep saying this about Destiel fans and Sam, and it’s simply not true. Again, Sam Knows is a huge thing, the memes about it are endless. Nobody thinks Sam is in the way. Because people with functioning brains not stuck in kink and fetishization land realize that a brother is by no means a threat to a romantic scenario. QED, that problem is only in your head.
√ So are we deleting him, erasing him, hating on him and saying he’s in the way, or making him a cheerleader? We hate our cheerleader? Gosh forbid anyone acknowledge that Sam acknowledges how deep the relationship, in whatever capacity, Dean has with Cas is. But acting like this is all we want is, again, hilarious. Sabriel’s affiliation. The rise of SamWitch to want to compel him into stories the way Ruby used to. The pure joy over Sam and Cas getting more time to bond and work together at the start of this season. You’re living in an echo chamber that tells you what this lane thinks, not observing what this lane actually thinks.
√ LMAO GUYS STRAIGHT ERASUREEEEEEEEEEE. I already covered how “problematic” this is above, but go off.
√ We don’t. We just make the Destiel things about Destiel. Like magic. Generally the same things antis turn around and scream at TPTB for being Too Destiel (despite it not existing, cuz logic?), or the things authors tell us were Destiel oriented – (Like you saw what we wanted you to see?) and the resulting thematics around that. Again, putting blinkers on doesn’t mean it’s not there. You can choose to stay in the dark all you want. That’s cool. Enjoy the parts of the show you like.
Man. Seriously though. THE PROJECTIONNNNNNNNNNNNNN
a note about sabriel:
it’s in like most destiel fics, like you mentioned. in fact, it’s so prevelant, it’s how i ended up shipping it. and from there it snowballed into other sam-pairings. even triads!
so saying we hate him and want to erase him or even just use him to further destiel is hilarious because we all want good things for him.
just so happens that we don’t want him unhealthily stuck to his brother’s side for forever
“cw open to all” except a bi male lead, canon destiel, wayward sisters, decent representation etc etc
They don’t owe you to make your ship canon. Stop being entitled.
But they do like playing with all the baiting and jokes and teasing comments. It’s not about entitlement. Brokebacknatural? Joined at the everything? Come on. You should ask them to stop it, not me.
A joke is not baiting. It’s a joke. Said by a villain. This fandom has a major entitlement complex.
Something I commonly see pointed out, The I Love You, I Love All Of You Moment, and their reactions to each other dying. There are plenty of other examples, Im sure, plus what op pointed out.
And sure, they dont owe it to us. Not at all. But one dang obvious and climax moment that would help make CW more “open to all” would be to make Destiel canon.
I tell my friends I love them. I kiss their cheeks and hug them when I see them. I am not attracted to them.
Destiel is not shipped by all, so that argument doesn’t stand. And same goes for Wayward Sisters, not everyone wanted the show, so let’s not claim otherwise.
oh i see. it has to be all or nothing? newsflash: if WE aren’t owed anything, YOU aren’t either
know what i want? for the writers to be allowed to write the story they’re trying to write. for spn to truly make sense to be included in a diversity campaign.
and for ship-shaming, crit-shaming antis like yourself to knock it off
I never claimed I was owed anything.
They are allowed to write the story they’re trying to write, but certain people aren’t happy about it so they call them all kinds of names and demand things.
I am not ship shaming. I don’t give a damn what you ship. I am, however, sick and tired of people think they’re entitled to other people’s creations.
“they are allowed to write the story they’re trying to write, but certain people aren’t happy about it so they call them all kinds of names and demand things.”
i’m going to address this because you think that it’s the audience that is forcing the writers into the destiel romance closet.
the audience has nothing to do with executive politics. which is exactly what’s at play here.
spn is cw’s longest running show. hell, it’s america’s longest running genre show. taking risks (even if the payoff will be astronomical) is frowned upon. just from what i’ve seen and heard, the writers WANT to write the romance we’re seeing, but they’re getting pushback from higher up.
also nah, bro. no one is calling writers “names” over destiel not being together. hell, even the hated duo bucklemming doesnt get called names. they ARE, however, being told they’re “pandering” whenever there’s blatant shippy moments (or even just having other characters around), being told they’re ruining the show because of said moments, told the show is just about the brothers, etc etc etc
and that ain’t coming from destiel shippers.
Lmao this. Ship shamey kumquats are basically working on years-expired narrative and they haven’t updated their broken record. That shit worked back in season 4. 5. season 7 even. Season 8… maybe even season 9. By season 10 the line started getting jiggly-wiggly and by season 13 it was outright out of hand.
By season 9 we had a showrunner directing them to play as jilted lovers already. A metaphor, the antis cried. Still just bros, just loverly just-bros. Season 10 they were written as fated as Cain-Colette and author confirmed; they were intentionally directionally mirrored to canon OTPs from an old show of Jensen’s; there were three super-ultra gay scenes that, for reasons we’ll pretend not to understand, after they went as far as filming ended up on the cutting room floor, but if they had been employed painted an entirely different mytharc atop the already queer-AF confirmed one. Just subtext and greycanon, the antis cried.
Season 11, we had Carver explicitly clarifying that Amara wasn’t Dean’s romantic interest, to Jensen, who misread it at first; and them charging bond against bond, story against story. Pining, yet again more “in love” and humanity discussions.
Season 12 we got ridiculous – human weakness lover parallels; he came in my room and he played me (wtf Dean?), the mixtape. Antis slide. First they begin at “mixtape isn’t necessarily romantic” and, once they start feeling like the obtuse idiots they’re being, slide into instead “It’s not a mixtape, just a tape of Dean’s favorite songs.” yeah okay.
Season 13 we had an author, paralleling Destiel into Wayward for an OTP, which everyone trumpeted about both ends of to him. An author who said they were ecstatic we saw what they wanted us to see.
And this, none of this, covers those things that pass in the grapevine. Those things this fandom knows, and has receipts on, that we keep traded only in DMs. Those things I can’t clarify about, those things we wouldn’t dare talk about publicly because the people related to it in TPTB already get enough horse shit without antis figuring out who to target and scream at, when it’s something already outside of their control. Those things. And there are a great many of these things. Those things that have. Actual. Receipts. Those things we’ve even been told to keep quiet, and saying this much in public almost breaks some of that trust but it’s frankly inevitable that they eventually hear *some* sort of breath about it anyway and I can hope I’ve been vague enough to not be problematic in saying too much. I’ve gone back and edited this paragraph like 6 times to cull too many direct statements already. But they’ll yell and stomp and demand receipts just to try to ridiculously explain it away like we don’t all literally know, even publicly facing, about Dabb still having the Destiel books in his office *years* later. *Promotions* later. Moved offices later. And that’s just the public facing side – and that side had his new assistant get threats to her job for even mentioning reading them. Unshockingly, despite that, she’s still around.
Celebrating that network politics and old white dudes running networks are too scared to aggressively move forward on years of work on queer content because it’s their prize pony show, doesn’t make anybody a good fan, or even a good person. It makes them part of the problem, just because they don’t like it.
Well, newsflash, buttercup. Not everybody likes MichaelDean. Not everybody liked Amara. Not everybody liked Cas being human. Not everything that happens is gonna be stuff everybody likes. Actually, literally nothing that happens is going to be something everybody likes.
THAT is where the entitlement is at this point.
You’re free to continue to celebrate the tilting and blurring line between queerbait and queer erasure, neither of which are good things. But you have to understand that doesn’t make you the good person in this fight, and makes you regressive as fuck.
And that’s just it.
Reblog to argue with me all you want. It is what it is.
Lmao these people legit think the authors aren’t gonna be out here trying to convince upper-CW to let them go this road. Bro there’s shows where their execs take a stand to even have freedom to up-write more characters/actors based on fan buzz. You legit think with all of this nobody’s been out there campaigning to CW to … hm, see how much they could… “do this year.”
Some people will see what I did there. Even if it’s a year old.
They legit seem to believe this.
Lay off the Entitlement Crack just BECAUSE *you* don’t like it.
Intelligentshipper’s Rating for Dummies is Utter Stupid Crap. Her links for the ratings only goes to a fan blog that doesn’t appear to have much traffic, I’ve never heard of that blog. Actually her post title is accurate, her interpretation of the rating system will only appeal to actual dummies.
You want Ratings for Dummies, then go to Supernatural (U.S TV series) Wikipediahere. Their list of demo rating and ave. viewership numbers are from variety of legit media sources. Anybody can see that the Cas eps are neither the highest nor the lowest rated eps because Cas is not relevant to ratings so his presence doesn’t make a difference. It would be like saying a Charmed episode got high ratings because of Darryl Morris. I liked Det. Morris more than most of the characters but he was irrelevant to the ratings.
As I kept scrolling down (and down and down) on that post, intelligentshipper’s voice got angier and angier. Why so much anger? I’ve been rude on my own posts a few times but I usually simmer down by the time I reached the end because I got it out of my system. Intelligentshipper sounds so perpetually butthurt that it made me think she had worked on Hillary Clinton’s failed presidential campaign, sending her nudies to Huma Abadin’s husband was all for nothing.
Wait, intelligentshipper is the reason why I’ve gotten Asks from anons asking if there was such a thing as“negative space”? That person is what got you all twisted up? *rub my temple*’ remember when metas used to be based on actual on-screen text? At least the good metas were. There is no such thing as “phantom leads” or “phantom canon” because if it is not talked about then it doesn’t exist, period. It’s why Dean stans get so angry that other characters usually don’t talk about Dean, it’s why Cas girls get so upset that Sam and Dean barely mentions Cas while dicking around in their own lives. The Walking Dead’s Neegan didn’t show up until the end of season 6 but they talked about him all damn season long. Fraiser’s Niles Crane always talked about his wife, Maris, so she is a real character and more importantly, she feels real to us even though we never saw her.
Wait, she named her own url “intelligent”? You know who called himself the most ethical person in the world with a high IQ? Keith Raniere, the founder of NXVIM that enslaved 150 women for sexual service and gotten Allison Mack aka Cloe Sullivan into so much trouble. As for his alleged high IQ, Keith took a home test of his IQ and declared it was very high. Sounds like Intelligentshipper’s own home blog with all those ratings.
Hey look, I found a liar under a tag with my name! So here’s that fan blog. It’s called spottedratings.com. Which, if you aren’t a cantankerous, self-blind idiot, you can check any given day of ratings as they release, and find hundreds of posts from hundreds of accounts per hour. Don’t believe me? Wait until the SPN premiere, go the next morning to spottedratings.com, click the day – it usually posts around 10 AM CST – and watch the madness roll in. Oh, woops! Doesn’t receive much traffic. Sure, Jan. Fan blog – sure, jan! Fan of… 100s of different TV shows for 30 years of ratings service. A+ detective work.
Also, the intelligent shipper name is, ironically, a shot at idiots like you. There’s an entire story about exactly where the name came from, but again, A+ detective work. I’ve considered rebranding because you self-jerking self-blind jerkoffs can’t detect irony or when you’re being laughed at over “what do you think you are, an intellectual?” being the only clapback one day when I used the dictionary and literary resources. Good JOB though.
I’m going to let you sit and self compute how stupid that is.
In fact, to scale this even better, according to alexa.com, the only of the above that receive more traffic than spottedratings.com are Nielsen’s own site and the New York Times, which… well *gestures vaguely at* They don’t disagree with it either. But just in case you still want to take issue with, IDK… the biggest newspaper around and the source of TV ratings themselves, I did helpful pre-googling for you of “Decline of TV ratings by year” for you to try to find a single article that disagrees with me, be it short term or large scale. Go ahead. Shuffle out a source. Take your time. I’ll wait. But I’ll even give you a helpful boost- there’s a nice article that the NFL went up, not down. Of course, if you read the article and understand why that was a headline worth being taken as shocking to anyone paying attention, you may want to be a cartoon ostrich and put your head in the sand. Also, have one in image searches, both official ratings sources and marketing firms – and yes, people’s personal blogs who have been tracking this universal issue long before you guys decided to whack off about it in fandom corners.
You’ll bluff and bolster it’s not and that you’re perfectly justified, because earning the worship of equally self blind followers is more important to you than authentic discussion, but at least you’ll probably have one tiny spark of self awareness right there.
When have I EVER made a post about negative space? I’ll wait.
By the way, good work misciting “phantom lead” without context or link to the post or the way the term was used, because that isn’t how it was used at all, but hey-o. Who needs actual substance? Or… you know… the dictionary. Or industry definitions… which defines Misha as a secondary lead. Or the showrunner.
Just because you don’t like or don’t understand something doesn’t make it untrue, and just because you refuse to review entire documents or sources doesn’t mean those sources aren’t legitimate. And it definitely doesn’t give you clearance to spread bold faced lies about someone and their content.
If literally *all* you have is ad hominems and “nuh uh”s, your argument is already dead. Do not confuse this with someone being 100% done with your stupidity and calling a spade a spade and not being fluffy with you, nor confuse that as them being angry, as much as – at best – mildly annoyed by perpetual idiocy in fandom echo chambers. But that’s what you’ve got: ad hominems, lies about content, and “nuh uh.”
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