BTW, the anti-destiel fans responding to @sassycaslovesdean by sending hate and yelling that destiel shippers are “everything that is wrong with the fandom” are everything wrong with the fandom. While other Destiel shippers are responding politely with a different pov, btw. Antis can generalize all they want but I’m seeing so many Destiel fans saying “no wait, Sam isn’t any less Jack’s dad” and offering reasonable meta as a response.
The OP was giving an opinion not hating on anyone, and relevant discussion is coming from it. The anti-destiel fans are attacking the OP with insults, generalizations, and character hate while the OP’s fellow destiel shippers are holding reasonable character discussion. It’s bad meta and knee-jerk attacking and grudgewanking not discussion.
Below the cut a sampling of the derailing and pointless negativity, fan bashing, and anti-ing from the anti-destiels, which I’m addressing here instead of responding directly because a) I don’t feel like talking to them they’re so unreasonable and b) so I don’t mess up sassycas’s notifications with fighting:
man, i thought i got testy with op. it’s nothing compared to the others in their replies. EESH.
and i’m sad to see one of them being someone who nicely asked if they could use a gif of mine. another person who uses my content, but hates a part of my fandom joys.
Look, I don’t make the rules, but after watching the most recent episode, I have to say, Destiel is already, very clearly canon.
How?
Well, take a look at the last episode.
Dean and Jack are really bonding here, right? Jack has basically admitted he wanted to fish with Dean because Dean did so with his father (his happiest memory of him, as Jack ever so kindly pointed out). Jack has accepted Dean as a father; it is intentional. Further, while talking with Sam, was notes that this loss will be hard on Dean because he views Jack as a son.
Why is this so important?
Jack has already accepted Cas as a father. He said so earlier on in the season multiple times, and it is clear Cas feels the same way.
However, Sam has not been involved in this parental loop; he has grown close to Jack and supported him, but he has not earned a father title. He is like an uncle, not a father.
Why? Because the titles belong exclusively to Dean and Cas, as is expressed when Dean instinctively moves to nudge Cas when he thinks Jack will be okay. The scene and direction clearly connects the two of them, portraying them as parents anxious about their child, but the connection exceeds just Jack as it is clear that both have recognized this connection – Dean in nudging Cas and Cas in speaking to Sam about Jack as Dean’s son.
Piled on top of two scripted I love you’s – only one of which made the cut, all of purgatory, the longing, the pining, the profound bond, is it really so ridiculous to believe that Jack is meant to show us that it is canon, just not in such an overt fashion? Destiel will most likely always be subtle as the writers do not want to take the focus away from the heart of the show, but raising a child together – one who is half human half angel and looks suspiciously like Cas – seems to be the writers relenting and allowing Destiel happen in a way that is less fan fiction and more Supernatural.
However, Sam has not been involved in this parental loop; he has grown close to Jack and supported him, but he has not earned a father title. He is like an uncle, not a father.
i’m an aunt. i love my sister’s little munchkins to hell and back. but if one of them was dying? i wouldn’t be reacting to it the way sam is.
why? because losing a child as a parent is vastly different to losing one as an aunt.
on top of that, sam was the first one to protect him after jack was born (cas being the first overall). he mentored him, gave him Dad Pep Talks, even yelled at dean about how he deserves a chance. he’s worried about jack going out in general (now that they know he’s sick) and doesn’t want him going out on hunts now that he’s human.
and as an aunt? i woulda been like “uh hell yeah let’s go, kiddo!” because that’s what aunts and uncles do.
also let’s not forget his reaction to sam being dead and sam coming back in 13×21
look at him
and further, this is not the face of a worried uncle
that’s the face of a man who’s losing a son, which i wrote about here, btw. i don’t think sam expected it to happen, but it did.
i love destiel, don’t get me wrong, but re-writing sam’s bond with jack as being less than is not the way to go. and normally i wouldn’t say that to people who call sam his uncle, but you literally said he didn’t earn the title of father.
and yeah i know there are some people who choose to call sam jack’s uncle because calling him one of jack’s dads with dean and cas has implications, but in this case…. jack referring to them as their dads, them referring to him as their son… there’s nothing romantic behind it. it’s the truth of the situation.
I’m really enjoying this domestic AU of Supernatural called Unhuman Nature where TFW are 3 dads raising their kid together. Their son, Jack, did get sick in one chapter…
…and we got a lot of great drama…
…when they rushed him to the hospital…
…and the doctors did what they could.
So much angst as these dads waited…
…for their son to get better…
…and when it looked like the hospital couldn’t help him…
…they took him from the hospital against medical advice…
…and brought him to a healer…
…who saved him and now he’s totally fine!
They’re probably planning to all go out for ice cream to celebrate. Great story!
yeah no no there’s nothing after this part. absolutely not. this is exactly where it ended
“the sharp knife of a short life”
yeah it’s the lyrics to if i die young SHUT UP
(analysis behind the cut)
they’re not just talking about dean. they’re talking about each other. they’re talking about sam.
you know, honestly i don’t think sam really thought that was going to happen when they took jack in. he’d be a good mentor, a good role model, maybe be like an uncle figure. he knew he would teach him and guide him as well as keep him safe, but i think he thought it’d be like when he helps out claire.
somewhere along the way, jack became not just cas’s son. he became his, too. he became a son to all of team free will.
sam talking to cas about them having lost people before…. he wasn’t just talking about dean. he’s also talking about himself. “why does this hurt more than when everyone else died? why can’t i compartmentalize my emotions like the other times?” sam is trying to understand why he’s hurting this much as well.
as cas points out, losing your child suddenly is vastly different than losing a parent or a close friend. it’s unnatural. especially when that child has only been alive for such a short time.
so yeah i know some people choose to call sam jack’s uncle and i know they don’t mean anything by it (some have a reason i can empathize with), but i really think personally that “uncle” really doesn’t describe sam and jack’s relationship. it doesn’t really feel like it adequetely covers the depths of sam’s love for jack.
(on a side note, this whole episode made me think of a line from john q)
jack’s birthday
this moment about sam remembering jack’s birthday?
dean blanks completely and sam remembers exactly.
sam remembers for the same reason dean forgot: it was one of the worst days of their lives.
their mom is gone. their best friend was murdered. and they had what they thought was a scary powerful creature on the loose.
and what i think is amazing is that even though it was the worst day, it was the start of a significant and beautiful change in their lives.