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2018’s Top Ships

We really went all out this year. Here are 100 ships delivering the goods from all corners of all fandoms straight to your eyes. Yes, really. 100 of them. And that still barely scratched the surface. Did your OTP make the list?

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Supernatural

11. Destiel
89. Sabriel
93. Cockles

No others in the top 100 this year. Interesting.

Also interesting: there are 6 RPS on this list, most from relatively large/widespread fandoms (One Direction) or with big-name celebrities (Taylor Swift and Karli Kloss). And yet there’s Misha and Jensen keeping company with folks who have sheer numbers on their side.

It doesn’t make us any better or any more right (we’re right), but it suggests a much larger proportion of the fandom in general is behind this ship (and tagging frantically). Well done, team. Very well done.

I’m mostly fascinated that Cockles runs that close to Sabriel content. I mean it’s no secret to fandom that Destiel is a huge phenomenon, but Sabriel keeps fairly close company (while not being totally mutual) and generally, RPS isn’t as widely accepted as, say … well, actual fiction ships due to moral holdoffs and social reservation against it. So to say, “The concept of RPS ship Cockles is the size of Sabriel, the second largest ship in the fandom” is… actually pretty big lmao. I don’t even go here but I’ll give accolades where accolades is due. They all outperformed other supposedly ancient huge ships, such as Wincest, which didn’t make the list, much less J2. 

In b4 J2 hats or Wincest shippers start trying to whine about crosstagging being responsible, which they’re actually a bigger criminal in than anything, with no explanation on why they didn’t even clip the top 100 in the fictional ship ahoyhoy.

i’m stil LOLing over this

also detroit: become human came out a mere six months ago and hank/connor is number 32.

but j2 and wincest? around for going on 14 years? suspiciously missing.

it’s just a LOLs fest over here. hankcon hasn’t even been around a whole year and they managed to make the list.

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during that whole genfic that isn’t genfic fiasco today, i overlooked this reply to me

couple points here:

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I’m gonna call it like I see it. That post, from 2012 – the phrasing and runaround of incest-not-incest-gen-not-gen-intense-relationship, and even the punctuation style, it’s all identical to the current account trying to pimp out this idea. They’re using the very same replies like a copy paste marketing agent. They struggled to sell the idea back then and they’re trying to re-sell it now, and it’s going to get approval from the same people it got in 2012. Remember when I did a backlog search and said most of its usage cropped up in 2012? It was around that thread. Prior to that, there were a grand total of two fics, one in 2005 and one in 2006, tagged that. 

That post epicentered around trying to convince people “Gencest” was a name for existing Sam & Dean fiction while trying to parallel it to Destiel fanfics, if I remember the wanky pages I viewed correctly. It was an inflationist cheesy competitional rhetoric that other people were going “Dafuq?” back in 2012 and they’re doing it now because it never took off beyond about a dozen fics after that.

This whole “It’s an old fandom guard! You must live under a rock! Everybody knows!” elitist attitude is particularly hilariously bad because this is literally a repeating cycle. Nobody knew then and barely anybody knew about it now. The strangest form of gatekeeping I ever-did-see: “If you don’t know about this tag, which has been used on less than 30 fanfics from the dawn of time and is even casually mentioned only 420 times on the entire internet, you’re not a tru old guard fan, everybody knows.” – That’s more of a really-bad-attempt at insult to injurious action against people blockading out the topic effectively with blacklists, which is the true issue at hand here, while otherwise kidnapping away S&D fics that might BE harmless into the wanky pile from people who would otherwise read it if it isn’t incesty.

No fam, your moderately-among-your-own-closest-friends-kind-of-locally-successful-tag-from-2012 is not definitive of “old fandom” or “things everybody knows.” And if your reach ends there, that kind of says a lot.

Bruh

“Everybody knows! The power of the old fandom compels you!”

Bruh

And half of that is you telling everybody they should know what it is.

1. interesting theory that seems to make sense given that they were also terrible back then at defending it as just genfic

sound familiar?

“And half of that is you telling everybody they should know what it is.”

RIGHT? like damn. i did a google search and legit most of the results were people asking wtf it meant

ITS NOT A WELLKNOWN TERM

like damn even teens know what “slash” means, and it’s not widely used as much anymore. it has nothing to do with being old and everything with weirdly forcing everyone to accept a term you made up.

OWN

IT

And that’s not even tackling what’s behind your first cut. Seriously, chriss. Take your first cut. Take the answers. Side by side both the confusion from people then, and the answers being given by the person endorsing it then and you have a verbatim, pretty much copy-paste set of conflicting answers just like back then, in 2012, when nobody knew what it was either, before generating half of the google responses asking “dafuq?” and answering back. You know, that swimming number I posted up there.

It’s someone that’s trying to hack and slash (pun) their way into having some ancient ass tag. Bro, lmao, no. I could probably find some complete crack tag from 05-06 that was on 1-2 fics, but I promise you if I had revived it 7, or now 13 years later acting like it was some ancient fandom lore because I tried to boot the idea and failed five years ago, everybody would be calling that shit out too. 

Atop the truly, dangerously problematic issue in this (exposure to triggers with poorly defined and conflicting descriptors and/or theft-away of potential clean material that people will avoid because of the poorly defined and conflicting descriptors that are trying to avoid the trigger content), the ridiculous and outright looney part of this is pretending that because someone got a dozen close friends using it 5 years ago it’s some Founding Fathers Tradition Everybody Knows And Clearly You’re Just A Noob If You Don’t.

Your friend group does not define the fandom. I can not cite this enough.

And GBang would try to clap back “yours neither!” but no, actual yielded content, history, and digital receipts speak it pretty well.

*rubs temples* i just…. there’s just not enough of it to justify calling it an old fandom term. like in, what, two years? the small pair of sam/rowena is more than what gencest is. and it’s been around for waaaay less than gencest.

91! 9. 1. ninety-one fics on ao3. that’s not counting what’s floating on here.

“your friend group does not define the fandom”

perfect example: we both know people who tried to make jmj, a newer version of j2m, a thing. and did it ever take off? no. i literally knew i had to explain that acronym because it didn’t. a handful of people at most know what it is. and if they tried five years down the road to insist that it’s an old well-known fandom term, people are going to have the same “tf is that” reaction you’re seeing with confused people re gencest

(except not really the same because people are objecting to more than just the name now; now it’s the behavior and who it’s being marketed towards)

Yes, this. Exactly. The JMJ thing. We know who made it. We know a lot of personal friends that used it for a little while. But we’re not huffing enough crack to claim you’re a newbie or somehow not-ITK for not knowing it, but funny enough-

As niche and cracky as JMJ’s usage is, and as much humility as you displayed in calling that point out, its usage is about 125x higher than “Gencest”. Let that sink in.

Now, I will argue that even with the “Supernatural” word quoted, there may be some arbitrary image string letters coming in and the ilk, and realistically scrolling through the results we can see they aren’t all SPN so-

I gave it a whole other qualifier, an extra threshold of search clarification above what was given to theirs and

Oh. Wild.

Wait.

So there’s 3 more results for “SPN”+”J2M”+”JMJ” than there even are “gencest.”

JMJ, of course, being a term started about a year ago, casually, among one limited friend group and their immediate contacts.

Old guard must have some really lax usage. And if you’re worried, you can reclarify the results. I just put this in the google field: "JMJ"+“Supernatural”+“J2M”

This of course requires all three clearly and got 340 results. It’s fucking wild. Almost like gencest is a non-idea someone keeps remarketing and trying to convince people is ancient history when it isn’t.

Never was. Never will be. That, or you can go tell Sissa her tag is secretly super fandom famous and everybody knows it, and she just didn’t know it.

oh my god i— the term has been around for a year and it’s on par with what they’re claiming is an old fandom term

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Okay, about this “g*ncest” thing that just cropped up which makes me feel like I splintered back to the year 2006 and aren’t we over this by now…what that is is a bona fide example of toxic masculinity attitudes at work and being valorized by a small number of fans, mostly female.

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Adding onto this, because I apparently missed a whole extra limb of this that’s actually patronizing and devaluing genfic. The g*ncest enthusiasts think the -cest has to be tacked on otherwise it won’t be emotionally intense enough and this is why the term was created and g*ncest is just gen but emotionally intense enough and what the hell did I just read

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Adding onto this, because I apparently missed a whole extra limb of this that’s actually patronizing and devaluing genfic. The g*ncest enthusiasts think the -cest has to be tacked on otherwise it won’t be emotionally intense enough

That actually wasn’t written anywhere on our social media as it true! You can actually go back and check if you like. Please do not put false words in our mouths. The -cest was added on to show that it’s Sam and Dean specific gen.

and this is why the term was created and g*ncest is just gen but emotionally intense enough and what the hell did I just read

I would like to know that as well, because a lot of false statements are being thrown around here. Do you have a link? Because pretty much everyone knows the -cest in Gencest means Sam & Dean and it’s borrowed from the romantic pairing name of Sam and Dean. 

how did you even find this post?

secondly, idgaf what y’all wanna describe it as, adding -cest to everything sam&dean is not ok if it’s not supposed to be incestuous.

“pretty much everyone knows”

nope nah uh they don’t. everyone i’ve come across is confused af. and just because some may know that, it doesn’t make it ok nor does it make SENSE.

also if it’s supposed to be about their bond, why did you tell my friend that it isn’t for her and why did someone else tell me the same thing? that’s exclusionary and indicates that something incestuous is happening.

“Pretty much everybody knows,” they defend, while over the course of 14 years of fandom there’s only been 421 mentions of it anywhere google is capable of data-mining. Compared to say, 500K+ W*ncest mentions or heading towards 7 million Destiel mentions. Of course, stalking mentions didn’t help them find this post where all of this old guard concept already got laid on its ass.

You’re from a small lane of W*ncest shippers that have tried repeatedly to find ways to destigmatize the *ncest element and failed pretty swimmingly. You’re going to end up with the same crowd you have every time. This is a PG-13 *ncest fic competition, let’s not mince words, especially as once you hit any sort of romantic framing, it isn’t even gen. Hard pass.

i don’t understand why they can’t just own up to it or change the name. it can’t be both w*ncest and not.

The most ridiculous part is pretending this is some broad wash though. As I mentioned in the post I linked, even pro-W*ncest “BNF”s in that lane have been arguing “platonic *ncest” by that name, not gencest, for at least a year. People here “since the beginning”. Wild that they’re cropping up pretending this was some “all along” thing even though the internet just doesn’t have receipts of it being widespread, even on old platforms like livejournal, which I independently mined usage of and got 200~ results, mostly casual mentions, mostly from 2k12~. It’s not old guard. It’s not old fandom. It’s niche shenanigans and nothing more. They wanna write PG-13 incest? Fine, whatever fam, but call a spade a spade, stop trying to normalize it, don’t simultaneously kidnap real gen fics, this isn’t fucking hard to understand.

Call a spade a spade.

it’s a new term for spn fandom, definitely. i’ve been in quite a lot of fandoms ever since my family got dial up. i’m familiar with the term. but it’s antiquated. even the term “slash” is getting up there with being outdated because lgbt+ relationships in general in society have become much more accepted.

can you imagine destiel shippers doing this? even other destiel shippers would call it out.

What do you think about negativity completely taking over the destiel fandom on twitter lately? EP7’s summary just came out and it looks like Cas will be with Sam on a separate storyline while Dean is with Jack.

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Negativity has consumed every part of the fandom. It’s not just Destiel. Stan twitter/tumblr/whatever will be pissy no matter what they’re given. 

Last year? Sure Sam has emotional stuff but he needs plot! Give him story presence! This year? Sam being a leader is trash! Let him talk about his feelings history with Dean!

Last year? And the last few years? Dean’s overstressed! He’s overworked! Sam’s the one that gets all the emotional stuff! Let Dean breathe! This year? How dare Dabb let Sam take over! You’re taking Dean’s place in the group! Nevermind that Dean isn’t being painted incompetent and helped lead Sam back into confidence!

And whenever they try to manage both in seasons? Hoo boy. So and so doesn’t deserve it or this or that and the character stanning only intensifies.

Last year – do you get where I’m going with this?

This fandom is fucking toxic if you’re gauging anything off of how stan twitter is feeling. Characters, relationships, anything. There are always people dying to be pissed off about something and even when they’re finally happy about something another group of people dying to be pissed off about something are there waiting to take over, and generally they overlap, or double back on what they happened to want before and spit on it when they’re given it.

Destiel fandom is only different in that not only are we getting pissy moods about a relationship we’re also managing two character viewpoints and reasons to be pissy from a character level in stan fandom.

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I’m going to add to this by saying: How many people feeling this are people who binge watched at least a portion of the show? Any portion. Years ago even. Maybe when it uploaded to Netflix? Season 7? When did you join live? And most importantly, when did you join stan twitter fandom, and when did you start feeling bitter about everything? Were you this bitter all the time before you joined standom? Probably not. As in the above cut post, it’s a mass hysteria effect that borders on mass hallucination at times, imagining global sleights from people you trained yourself into thinking had a similar scope to you, but maligning what was once material and content you would have enjoyed. 

Consider it deeply before deciding that just because whatever wing you’re in (and this must be a respectively small wing, because I have dozens if not hundreds of happy friends at current in my wing and have only run into a few complaints, likely from another branch of Destiel fandom, of which there are many among dozens of thousands of fans) stands for the voice of everybody and, if you’re seeing too much negativity about things you used to enjoy that are making it less enjoyable, I might suggest reviewing your options and tailoring your timeline.

Standom turns fanning into a competitive sport about who can be the most pissed off, whether people are realize that’s the hunger games they’ve been thrown into or not. The first step is to honestly step away from standom and rejoin fandom. It can be difficult to discern which is which, since we casually joke “I stan,” but go listen to Eminem’s “Stan” which created the name, and review if you’re on a parallel slide, or if the lane around you is to start dragging you down the course, off the bridge and into the wank waters.

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1. re: echo chambers: that’s why it’s healthy to be around people that have differing opinions. you end up seeing different viewpoints and seeing things from a different angle. like, there were people i now consider friends that didn’t immediately coo over jack and it helped put things in perspective for me instead of a constant motherly reaction to a perceived negative tweet about him

2. ditto the thing about stan sm. if y’all listen to that minority, it sounds like the show is on the verge of cancelling when it’s not. and it can even hurt because characters and actors and even members of tptb you hold dear are raged at because THAT particular stan corner can’t stand them for some reason.

3. to answer your added question (which was supposed to be mentally reflective i’m sure but lmaoooo), i started watching in s9. watched on the app and then live a few episodes before the finale.

hellatus between s9-s10 i was being a little bitter because i was listening to some assholes in destiel tumblr fandom that cas deserves better than dean. it lasted a very short while because then s10 happened and i was back to crying about wanting my babes together.

i also kind of isolated myself from fandom from 2014-2017, so that helped de-bitter me. was just lurking around, live tweeting when i could. reading fics. reblogging gifs and destiel-positive it’s-going-somewhere posts. interacting with others when i felt up to interacting with strangers. so i know about shit that went down.

now i have a much better fandom experience because @intelligentshipper pretty much dragged me out of the shadows and ever since then i realized that yeah, being more active means you see more of the shitty stan side, but it helps oddly enough? because you can mute those people or block them (and yeah i know it won’t solve every problem in fandom but it helps). you can surround yourself like i did with people that just enjoy the show and don’t rage unless it’s something that deserves it (like the gross sexualizing of lucifer taking sister jo’s grace, for example BLECH).

it’s freaking needed to protect your mental health, for one, and for another i don’t remember enjoying my overall experience with the show and the fandom as much as i do now. my default to most hate-rage now is laughter. like “LMAO WHERE ARE THEY EVEN GETTING THAT FROM”.

in conclusion to this long ass essay: ignore extreme stans by taking some of the steps i described. it might help you like it did me.