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PSA that I give zero shits what Eugenie says and her interviews are about as relevant to me as my cat’s furball when it comes to speculation. She’s proved she has zero idea what anyone else is writing last year and this year that she can’t even remember what she wrote a few months ago.

Unless she’s backed up by someone of substance, the logical process is just: *ignored*.

Comparing Eugenie and Dabb’s interviews and seeing some kind of correlation that neither knows what is going on is frankly as daft as comparing Trump and Obama on a topic and saying Obama is as wrong as Trump because their accounts are different. Trump’s idiocy doesn’t negate Obama’s factual account. Same goes here.

Singer and Brad are slightly higher in my esteem but only by a gnat’s width.

List of people’s opinions I care about according to their relevance and actual understanding of the show (and remembering of past canon):

1. Andrew Dabb.

2. Bobo, Davy, Meredith, Steve, previous writers.

3. Other crew of note who’ve shown their understanding eg. Jerry Wanek.

4. J2M.

5. Singer, Brad, other actors.

6. Eugenie.

This. Mostly. My list is along the lines of:

1. Dabb. Bobo is close in proximity. Like

1.5 Bobo

2  Davy, Meredith, Steve for current

2.5 previous writers for current. Otherwise, slot 1-2 depending on prior capacity (Carver for past discussion at 1, Thompson for past discussion at 2, etc)

3. Other crew that have shown understanding /explicitly in regards to production capacity such as the rendering of a scene or story/. Eg, Jerry Wanek.

4. J2M

5. Singer, Brad, Other actors and other crew

6. Lit savants

7. Random reviews

8. A dedicated mongoose

9. 

10.

…

726. Eugenie.

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Dean is but isn’t going through big trauma and Michael is and isn’t our biggest bad and Cas has and hasn’t found his place yet and the show is and isn’t just about the brothers and they are and aren’t driving the Impala without Dean.

Thank you TPTB, these interviews clear everything up.

Seriously though, I’m starting to wonder if they’re just intentionally releasing interviews for different ends of the fanbase to beat each other with and pacify different quarters of standom because LITERALLY what they say in one interview is DEADASS OPPOSITE said two days later and I’m starting to think this is some wild ass hunger games fandom shit they’re doing to fuck with everybody.

Yes, they’re doing this on purpose

Trying to make stan twitter have a bloodbath and get rid of itself on all sides lmao

Lol nah it’s Dabb (actual showrunner making decisions and competent writer in his own right) versus Eugenie who can’t even remember what she wrote last week so contradicts herself and her colleague in her own freaking episode. Twice.

I mean.

That’s like comparing a stale mouldy cheese cracker to a Michelin starred lobster Thermidor.

Even Dabb has conflicted on his angle about the brothers though. Honestly, they’re just openly saying whatever the fuck and leaving a few vagueries. I do agree that Leming is on her own shit like normal, but I’m also reading that as a potential tell of her wedging forward some other half cracked big bad we’re gonna have to deal with that Dabb is gonna mostly quarantine off to the side while letting her play in her corner of the sandbox and feel accomplished.

You know I wonder. Destiel and the bro bond are the two most polarising issues on the show. The PR gets around Destiel by just not talking about it at all but they can’t exactly do that with the Sam and Dean relationship. There’s those who want them to just be co-dependent and together 4eva, and there’s where the show is actually heading – towards a more healthy and less willing to sell their souls for each other type relationship. But until we get there we’re stuck in this middle ground where because of the show’s structure, Sam and Dean will always be together, so maybe that’s why the angle on the brothers is so conflicted. They don’t want to piss off the bros only crowd especially right now when they don’t need to. Just my vague, half baked thoughts.

I more take it as marketing. The thing is, Dabb *has* pissed off the bros crowd. In one interview or panel he’ll say SPN has proven it can work off of a wider cast, in the next it’s Just Bros, in the next it’s about how many other characters they have to focus on, and then back to the line of Sam and Dean. It’s less about pissing off or not pissing off bros fans as much as saying the same old song and verse. Actual GA fans already know Sam & Dean will be there. It’s a vague company line at this point that’s just a general market shove but is rarely thoroughly committed to, even interview to interview. 

Also again with the GA, Brobond and Destiel aren’t necessarily in competition as much as they are complimentary. Most of the audience doesn’t have stan twitter shrieking in their ear but is simultaneously exposed to the Destiel themed content, whether or not it’s canon consummated, there’s a reason people wander into fandom and go “Wait, what, people argue about this???” People too straight lensed don’t see it, that’s it’s own discussion, but whether it’s platonic or romantic they’re at least seen as a duo by 99% of the audience. Which is also why Dean shreds both Sam and Cas in general popularity/fame polls beyond tiny fandom niches (and even in large scale fandom censuses) because he also gets the attention of people who enjoy either/or/both duos atop whatever plot ends people can debate into the wind.

It’s less about keeping anything in competition and more in maintaining a droll company line to market to people who have different preferences. Those preferences aren’t entirely polarized abroad like they are in stan twitter. It’s entirely possible to like bro bond and Destiel both, and is actually extremely common, but having a preference is human nature, not all interests are equal and maintaining the base line markets to the bro-bonders that miss the glory days. Hell, I miss the glory days. I’d post/reblog more about S1-3 if it wasn’t attached to a goddamn pillar of incest and tinhatting left and right in this fandom. Cuz liking the bros doesn’t mean I like wormholes of brotherfucking or aluminum foil.

Honestly it’s just marketing, but I find it hilarious how blatant it’s being done like. Yup. And Sam and Dean still exist. Something something. Core of the show. Like the other cores of the show we talk about depending on the day. Which one’s your favorite? Pick. We’re doing all the things.

The sad thing is if you deleted all Sam & Dean mention in these interviews, you could probably speculate the season just as well as if you didn’t have them. Because half of it conflicts and half is vague pacification and buzz word usage whereas Cas, and others, we at least get insight in a direction. 

I see what he’s doing. It is, in fact, a form of pandering, in the way pandering works on a marketing level. Just enough mention of it to pull attention from those who want any given thing. But in the end we’re getting very minimal info about anything regarding Sam & Dean that we didn’t know. Even if you delete Eugenie’s word vomit in conflict it’s like… Yup. Dean is Michael. He’s gonna be traumatized. Sam’s being leadery. We been knew that, dude. They’re gonna come together and do bro things. We knew that too, dude. 

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First off, I THINK it was @charlie-minion that posted the gif set originally so she may or may not have it, but I figured public sourcing would get me a wider shot of response.

Does anybody remember the quote – it’s… several years old at this point – where Jensen was talking about how abstract and hard to define Dean and Cas’ relationship is because of it being a supernatural sort of affair that doesn’t even have an earth parallel? Can anybody source that to me?

I know friends that are like, oh, okay, so anything the guys say on stage is canon and okay for ops according to antis, cuz of Jared’s old bae joke Jensen immediately flinched at. Sooo they’re kinda collecting everything from BDSM Destiel to Oil Rig Fanfics to Misha’s 29342093 comments to that time Mark P called the SuperGay Trenchcoat Apology cute and whatever else. So. You know. Project. 

So yeah. if you can find me that quote so I can pull it up and remember it distinctly. Awesome. And if anybody wants to add any specific stage moments and masterpost this, well… by all means.

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Sorry it took me forever to respond! I was trying to find that quote but couldn’t remember it well enough. Do any of my followers remember it?

Also, you really made my day with the note behind the cut.😍 I feel so honored when people whose blog I really like say they’ve been reading mine for a long time. *blushes intensely*

Sending lots of hugs your way! ❤

Damn, I VAGUELY remember Jensen saying that/saw video of it (where he was technically stating Dean and Cas’ relationship was too complex to be quantifiable/measurable/whatever terms he used to describe its nature).

Hmm, we’d love the help!

OKAY SO I’M NOT ON CRACK AND I DIDN’T HALLUCINATE IT CUZ I CAN’T FIND IT ANYWHERE.

I swear on my LIFE I saw it somewhere in Charlie-Minion’s stuff once AAAAAAAAAAGES ago, like long before I ever faceplanted into tumblr myself.

Also ILU Charlie. And Naru. 

Seriously if you can find me that gif set I’d die

@intelligentshipper I remember this response from jibcon4
Where Jensen says that Dean and Cas have a Supernatural relationship, it starts Here at 42: 20 https://youtu.be/AWN2hszI0c4 and ends at 45:00
I also think they had a similar question in jibcon5 but i need to go to sleep , I’ll watch it tomorrow

Thanks, I’ll check them both out tomorrow unless you or somebody else beat me to it because I’m in a similar boat, bed soon.

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I literally just had a debate with someone that insisted Castiel is a cis straight male.

Like they used all of those words.

While I get that his indifferent to orientation statement can be taken anywhere from ace spectrum to pan,

I’m pretty sure it’s basic canon that Cas has had vessels of both sex and is from an agender species?

I’m not sure how any of this computes to someone that, claiming to be LGBT themselves, Cas is a cis straight male?

I

…

What?

Was that some weird fandom TERF? The fuck?

Are they trying to say that because Jimmy was a cis male, Castiel must be by nature, despite-

I-

*shortcircuit*

I would argue that angels are not (generally speaking) agender simply because we have canon instances of angels keeping their gender pronouns even when they change vessels to the opposite.

Other than that, yeah. That’s a weird one. O.o

Perhaps I should have said asexual species. My brain’s all crosswired from dealing with the crazytown loop I just witnessed. But not to confuse asexual species with ace orientation. Which Cas may or may not also fill, and I have a whole different meta about, but talking about asexual sex and species vs ace orientation. You get me. I think. It kinda gets complicated talking multispecies and that was a mis-speak. Some angels do seem to keep a preferred gender pronoun. Which only further complicates how ridiculous trying to call this cis-anything is though when they’re all in a vessel and have traded in/out in the past. 

No, I totally get you. I was struggling with how to Vocabulary (lol) in my response, as well. Like… Yeah they have a preferred gender, but even trying to apply the concept of “cisgender” to an ANGEL is mind boggling.

like lmao fammmmm

what a fine cis straight male that clearly is sksksksk

New bro-only tactic?  Since (Jimmy is still in there!!)  Jossed.  Since (Cas’s in a dead person body!!)  Jossed.  Since (Cas can’t have sex!!) Jossed.  

They might be desperate enough to start this B.S.  

(raphael was in male and female vessels and always referred to as ‘he/him’)

Right. Which made Raphael male gender identifying, even if in species, there’s really nothing, because they’re balls of light, and don’t have a sex, beyond the sex of the host. That is to say, they can plunk into a body and may or may not choose a strongly identifying pronoun for gender. For example, I highly doubt Castiel, during occupation of Claire, would have gone out of the way to ask for a male pronoun usage, considering he had very little time in the male body at that point and had a previous female vessel as well, as well as very little contact with that.

However, the natural sex-state of angels are essentially a-sex. There’s no way to have a cis angel, because no matter what the state or vessel, it does not correspond with the original sex-state of the creature. They may or may not take on the identity of a vessel’s gender, and may or may not keep a gender identity after that (in example: at this point, I would not be surprised to see Castiel having a male gender identity, if Castiel identified at all.) Castiel, for all we know, just doesn’t know enough about gender politics and still doesn’t identify in any way but Sam and Dean are always there calling him dude, and he has no compulsion to correct that, ergo accepts the gender terms. Or like I said, Cas could very well identify male. But neither is Castiel’s sex-state from birth. 

It’s… efficiently impossible to argue a cis angel because angels don’t come in a state of binary sex to begin with, only external vessels and then identity. The only way to have a cis angel would theoretically be to find a thirdgender vessel with no identifiable sex characteristics tbh. 

I’M HOWLING. AFTER THEY CALLED CASTIEL A CIS STRAIGHT MAN, and argued AGGRESSIVELY for like 2 hours that there is zero canon content for bi Dean, they then turned around and – as this started as a “don’t post incest on the main feed” discussion they ran off into the “Destiel sucks” corner playing neutral – turned around and started posting gifs of canon substance for W*ncest YEAH OKAY.

Given it was: 

• Incorrectly assumed dialogue from an NPC of don’t flirt
• The Siren scene, cut short, to “You,” without the following context that lmaooo no, it literally wasn’t him, that was literally the whole point, don’t cut it in half.
• A joke about being tingly.

SKJDFSKJDfs

SOMEWHERE along this journey, they tried to claim they were pro-Bi-Dean while aggressively arguing it down, tried to claim they were a Destiel shipper writing Destiel fanfics while not realizing I was tagged in the other thread they were bitching about how much they don’t like Destiel, ran wayyy off the original “don’t post incest in the main feed” conversation they came in pretending to devil’s advocate as a neutral, avidly refused to return to that as a topic, tried to drag it down the Destiel lane, started saying something about us talking about pie and cake despite me literally having a banner for a deadass year saying I will never ever use that, something about it being all cis women, yelled that it’s all straight men in the writing room and got antsy when two were pointed out queer, smashed the census, waved around her lesbian card as her reason to delete the overwhelming percentile of queer support … in… PERCENTILE… failed to answer the fact that no shit, more women will talk it because it’s 4-to-1 viewing heads female in TV times four times likelihood for women to engage in digital fandom, that’s like bitching that Chicago has the highest gun death rate in raw numbers despite among the lowest percentile but sure, fam. 

Oh, and something about Destiel shippers all yell queerbait and are activism even though I’ve caught flack from a lane of Destiel shippers (AND WE HAVE MANY MANY MANY LANES [canon subtext queerbait domsub CasDean biDean aceCas panCas whatever activism rep literary I could go on]) for refusing to yell queerbait… and they’re the one that made it about activism? but it’s like they had some autoreply set of script answers to try out. IDK man it was wild.

Totes a Destiel shipping neutral that didn’t just spin out and read the classic anti script.

I think I found Nancy 2.0.

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lurea:

intelligentshipper:

blueeyesandpie:

intelligentshipper:

blueeyesandpie:

intelligentshipper:

I literally just had a debate with someone that insisted Castiel is a cis straight male.

Like they used all of those words.

While I get that his indifferent to orientation statement can be taken anywhere from ace spectrum to pan,

I’m pretty sure it’s basic canon that Cas has had vessels of both sex and is from an agender species?

I’m not sure how any of this computes to someone that, claiming to be LGBT themselves, Cas is a cis straight male?

I

…

What?

Was that some weird fandom TERF? The fuck?

Are they trying to say that because Jimmy was a cis male, Castiel must be by nature, despite-

I-

*shortcircuit*

I would argue that angels are not (generally speaking) agender simply because we have canon instances of angels keeping their gender pronouns even when they change vessels to the opposite.

Other than that, yeah. That’s a weird one. O.o

Perhaps I should have said asexual species. My brain’s all crosswired from dealing with the crazytown loop I just witnessed. But not to confuse asexual species with ace orientation. Which Cas may or may not also fill, and I have a whole different meta about, but talking about asexual sex and species vs ace orientation. You get me. I think. It kinda gets complicated talking multispecies and that was a mis-speak. Some angels do seem to keep a preferred gender pronoun. Which only further complicates how ridiculous trying to call this cis-anything is though when they’re all in a vessel and have traded in/out in the past. 

No, I totally get you. I was struggling with how to Vocabulary (lol) in my response, as well. Like… Yeah they have a preferred gender, but even trying to apply the concept of “cisgender” to an ANGEL is mind boggling.

like lmao fammmmm

what a fine cis straight male that clearly is sksksksk

New bro-only tactic?  Since (Jimmy is still in there!!)  Jossed.  Since (Cas’s in a dead person body!!)  Jossed.  Since (Cas can’t have sex!!) Jossed.  

They might be desperate enough to start this B.S.  

(raphael was in male and female vessels and always referred to as ‘he/him’)

Yockey has been clear in 2 different episodes that angels can refer to themselves/each other as he/her/angel/celestial being, and Naomi’s comment was very specifically referring to gender and how angels describe themselves, so I feel like by 13×19 it’s pretty unequivocally clear that they recognise an angel specific gender of no specific gender, which either applies to all of them, or those that don’t particularly feel gendered by their human vessel/don’t take vessels. Misha’s musing that Cas has come to feel that he’s a he seems about right to me, but in no way does that mean that he’s cis just because he’s in a male body and identifying as male. If anything it means that angels are canonically de facto not cis as a species, which means every single angel we ever meet can’t be treated as if they’re cis humans when it comes to gender because that doesn’t apply no matter how dudebro Ishim gets or whatever 😛

100% agreed with what I’ve been saying, but nice hearing it from you since I respect your hot take on these things. In other news, I just did a reblog on this right before you did, which is admittedly a wank reblog but if you ever like taking humor in antis or “other ships” to see how callow this person’s actual objective turned out to be, by all means.