Re: your ask about intelligentshipper, she wrote a very long two-part series (posts 171511773350 & 171566934275) called Ratings for Dummies, all about how ratings really work, according to her, and how they prove that Cas eps are the highest rated and how S13 had higher ratings than S1. Also on how Misha saved the show, how Cas is a “phantom lead” and destiel is “phantom canon” with a bunch of charts that mostly have nothing to do with SPN, but I guess she thinks make her look smart?

intelligentshipper:

lol-jackles:

Intelligentshipper’s Rating for Dummies is Utter Stupid Crap.  Her links for the ratings only goes to a fan blog that doesn’t appear to have much traffic, I’ve never heard of that blog.  Actually her post title is accurate, her interpretation of the rating system will only appeal to actual dummies.

You want Ratings for Dummies, then go to Supernatural (U.S TV series) Wikipedia here.  Their list of demo rating and ave. viewership numbers are from variety of legit media sources.  Anybody can see that the Cas eps are neither the highest nor the lowest rated eps because Cas is not relevant to ratings so his presence doesn’t make a difference.  It would be like saying a Charmed episode got high ratings because of Darryl Morris.  I liked Det. Morris more than most of the characters but he was irrelevant to the ratings.

As I kept scrolling down (and down and down) on that post, intelligentshipper’s voice got angier and angier.  Why so much anger?  I’ve been rude on my own posts a few times but I usually simmer down by the time I reached the end because I got it out of my system.  Intelligentshipper sounds so perpetually butthurt that it made me think she had worked on Hillary Clinton’s failed presidential campaign, sending her nudies to Huma Abadin’s husband was all for nothing.

Wait, intelligentshipper is the reason why I’ve gotten Asks from anons asking if there was such a thing as “negative space”?  That person is what got you all twisted up?  *rub my temple*’  remember when metas used to be based on actual on-screen text?  At least the good metas were.  There is no such thing as “phantom leads”  or “phantom canon” because if it is not talked about then it doesn’t exist, period.  It’s why Dean stans get so angry that other characters usually don’t talk about Dean, it’s why Cas girls get so upset that Sam and Dean barely mentions Cas while dicking around in their own lives.  The Walking Dead’s Neegan didn’t show up until the end of season 6 but they talked about him all damn season long.  Fraiser’s Niles Crane always talked about his wife, Maris, so she is a real character and more importantly, she feels real to us even though we never saw her.

Wait, she named her own url “intelligent”?  You know who called himself the most ethical person in the world with a high IQ? Keith Raniere, the founder of NXVIM that enslaved 150 women for sexual service and gotten Allison Mack aka Cloe Sullivan into so much trouble.  As for his alleged high IQ, Keith took a home test of his IQ and declared it was very high.  Sounds like Intelligentshipper’s own home blog with all those ratings.

Hey look, I found a liar under a tag with my name! So here’s that fan blog. It’s called spottedratings.com. Which, if you aren’t a cantankerous, self-blind idiot, you can check any given day of ratings as they release, and find hundreds of posts from hundreds of accounts per hour. Don’t believe me? Wait until the SPN premiere, go the next morning to spottedratings.com, click the day – it usually posts around 10 AM CST – and watch the madness roll in. Oh, woops! Doesn’t receive much traffic. Sure, Jan. Fan blog – sure, jan! Fan of… 100s of different TV shows for 30 years of ratings service. A+ detective work. 

Also, the intelligent shipper name is, ironically, a shot at idiots like you. There’s an entire story about exactly where the name came from, but again, A+ detective work. I’ve considered rebranding because you self-jerking self-blind jerkoffs can’t detect irony or when you’re being laughed at over “what do you think you are, an intellectual?” being the only clapback one day when I used the dictionary and literary resources. Good JOB though. 

The fact that you can’t divide “anger” from “done with gentle handling idiots with no comprehension skills” (see: this post) and treating them like the willful idiots they are? That’s a personal problem on your front. This isn’t anger. This is so much eye rolling I literally can’t be assed to continue to treat you like squishy marshmallows when the line between “aggressive, intentional idiocy” and “innocence” ends, especially with blatant lies like “fan blog.” By the way… is tvbythenumbers a fanblog (Gunsmoke Rule), (TV Decline)? Showbuzzdaily? Nielsen and the NYT? Like this isn’t something they teach in marketing modernly. Or like this isn’t something they’ve already been discussing and adapting marketing strategies about well beyond your fandom bubble. (I could keep going on how dumb you are about my sources, but I won’t.) Because ironically, your only response for a better thing is… a… supernatural… wiki…

…

I’m going to let you sit and self compute how stupid that is.

In fact, to scale this even better, according to alexa.com, the only of the above that receive more traffic than spottedratings.com are Nielsen’s own site and the New York Times, which… well *gestures vaguely at* They don’t disagree with it either. But just in case you still want to take issue with, IDK… the biggest newspaper around and the source of TV ratings themselves, I did helpful pre-googling for you of “Decline of TV ratings by year” for you to try to find a single article that disagrees with me, be it short term or large scale. Go ahead. Shuffle out a source. Take your time. I’ll wait. But I’ll even give you a helpful boost- there’s a nice article that the NFL went up, not down. Of course, if you read the article and understand why that was a headline worth being taken as shocking to anyone paying attention, you may want to be a cartoon ostrich and put your head in the sand. Also, have one in image searches, both official ratings sources and marketing firms – and yes, people’s personal blogs who have been tracking this universal issue long before you guys decided to whack off about it in fandom corners.

You’ll bluff and bolster it’s not and that you’re perfectly justified, because earning the worship of equally self blind followers is more important to you than authentic discussion, but at least you’ll probably have one tiny spark of self awareness right there.

When have I EVER made a post about negative space? I’ll wait.

By the way, good work misciting “phantom lead” without context or link to the post or the way the term was used, because that isn’t how it was used at all, but hey-o. Who needs actual substance? Or… you know… the dictionary. Or industry definitions… which defines Misha as a secondary lead. Or the showrunner.

Lmao phantom canon is never a phrase I have ever, ever, ever used, good try though. In fact, I made an entire post about that NOT being a thing, but jerk off.

Just because you don’t like or don’t understand something doesn’t make it untrue, and just because you refuse to review entire documents or sources doesn’t mean those sources aren’t legitimate. And it definitely doesn’t give you clearance to spread bold faced lies about someone and their content.

If literally *all* you have is ad hominems and “nuh uh”s, your argument is already dead. Do not confuse this with someone being 100% done with your stupidity and calling a spade a spade and not being fluffy with you, nor confuse that as them being angry, as much as – at best – mildly annoyed by perpetual idiocy in fandom echo chambers. But that’s what you’ve got: ad hominems, lies about content, and “nuh uh.”

Gr8 game m8.

Poking the bear

intelligentshipper:

evvvissticante:

intelligentshipper:

intelligentshipper:

I’m going to actually tag this into Megstiel fandom because, while they know I’m not a fan of Meg or Megstiel, I am of Rachel Miner, and they’re the most likely to be able to answer this question.

Generally speaking my feed has been really on-point projecting character returns most of the time, but I’ve been hearing Megstiel fandom talking about huge hints of coming back and so far all I’ve found is generalized “yeah I would come back if-” con panels, but I heard something about Ruthie having puck lights ordered for Rachel on set? And I can’t find this like, anywhere? I’ve spent like an hour crawling rachel miner tags trying to find some trace of it. 

I’m genuinely curious, even in my dislike of the Meg character herself, as a fan of Rachel behind the character, on if anyone can source me where this happened, since puck lights are a really versatile thing but I would love to actually have like a link or a screenshot to any of this being discussed so we can at least start discussion over Meg/Rachel’s return over in our lane.

FOUND IT.

SO, it wasn’t specifically Rachel Miner or Megstiel fandom that answered, but I received a lovely tip from @wlw-supernaturalwriter who did some digging and found this post. Personally my jury’s still out, so here’s what I have/know:

This post was Aug 9. During Aug 9 they were filming  14.03, most specifically, 

14.03 is one of our Wayward-focused episodes, most specifically the return of Kaia, some stuff about Jody and more, with the known info being (per jess’ masterpost of filming-stalking:)

OFFICIAL SYNOPSIS: KIM RHODES RETURNS AS SHERIFF JODY MILLS – Still trying to solve the mystery of what happened to Dean (Jensen Ackles), Sam (Jared Padalecki) enlists the help of Sheriff Jody Mills (Kim Rhodes) who may unknowingly already be on the case. Castiel (Misha Collins) continues to be a father figure to Jack (Alexander Calvert), who surprises even himself, when a life is on the line. Robert Singer directed the episode written by Robert Berens. (#1403). Original Airdate 10/25/2018.

Castiel? Yes Jack? Yes.

Guest stars: Yadira Guevara-Prip (Kaia Nieves), Kim Rhodes (Jody Mills), Jim Beaver (AU Bobby), Warren Abbot (Spencer)

Other Spoilers/info (newest to oldest):

  • “Kim Rhodes’ Jody Mills will return in the wake of “a mysterious death, when it turns out that she and Sam and Dean are looking for the same person,” co-showrunner Andrew Dabb previews.” (x)
  • Jensen and Jared Possibly filmed together in the bunker set…
  • Filming was done at panther paintball
  • Looks like Kim filmed some scenes in the Sioux falls sheriff’s office, so that’s the likely locale for the episode.
  • It does NOT look like Katherine Ramdeen, Briana Buckmaster or Kathryn Newton filmed, so Claire and Alex may not be in the episodes.

My Takeaway:

Honestly the lights look like the wall of a convention center, or hotel. It was a Thursday, but there was no convention on that weekend (rather previous weekend 

July 13-15, 2018 SPNCHI, or following weekend 

Aug. 17-19, 2018 SPNDEN.) That does not remove the potential of it being an old photo floating in a phone for a few weeks that someone decided to post. But if it wasn’t an old photo, it *might* mean something.

However, I see little to no tell that there’s room for Meg to randomly revive in 14×3, unless it’s somehow the very noncommittal “Jack surprises himself when a life is on the line” individual, which is a huuuuge leap of faith. 

This was during the period I kind of fell off of set-stalking myself because I was busy running CultFans instead at high stress/early formation chaos, so what I can say is that if Meg doesn’t show up by 14.03, this is probably a red herring.

But if anyone else has any other news to discuss about this, any better corroboration than a light switch on an ambiguous wall, I’d be happy to talk about it. The digging to do would be during episode 14.03 guys.

@intelligentshipper I don’t think she will return. Maybe we’re gonna hear a Meg reference 🤔

I mean, a reference I can see. I honestly found it a bit weird that they NEVER talked about Meg again. I obv don’t see the giant super duper romance Megstiel fans see, but like, Cas did at least have a flirt game with her and he even mourned the weenie hut angel more which was WEIRD to me. Like no, I don’t consider a few looks, a flirt, and occasionally trying to murder each other and saving someone once the epic romance of the century but yeah, I expected more out of him than that. Sam and Dean never addressed it. So some sort of memory of her or something could work.

I hear people randomly theorizing about “Queen of Hell” because she could sit in the throne without much trouble for her, but that just seems vastly unfair to Ruthie after her being in the show like four years running at this point increasing her capacity as the former mother of the last King of Hell. Like here, let’s knock off all of Ruthie’s forward plot motion as Rowena and bring someone back for, IDK, fans like her. Her ship’s fanbase is small AF but the actress herself is very loved. But that’s where dividing actor and character really come in, the same way I can still enjoy certain characters despite thinking their actors are douchebags. Unless they’re just badly acted, then it’s a double zinger. I don’t see this as a case like Bobby or Charlie that had monumental amounts of wailing to really warrant bringing them back. Hell, Charlie was a double-edged issue of fridging the women offscreen and killing off your only queer rep and dumping them in a bathtub. No shit the new queer friendly crew wanted to fix that.

I see it as *potential* for them to want to bring her back though just because everyone on the crew loves Rachel so much. But again, the question is how to do this without completely tilting everybody else’s setups, how to avoid it being inspiration porn (and instead viable disability hire/rep), and if it’d be a brief showcasing or permanent run. I’m just not seeing any evidence of the latter. Even if she shows up like a flashback or mention in 14.03 I’m having a hard time believing that they’ve managed to keep her showing up on set a secret for 5 filmed episodes, or roughly, a month and a half. There’s a reason these things are pitched at the end of a season. Bobby was 12×23. Felicia was late season 13 and only a few scenes, during a period where they were week to week running their filming, nearly, because of how endseason cramps. Even Naomi, which they gave far more direct hints about but still left pending, was late season. Trying to bury something like this for like 2 months of filming if you’re intending a genuine character return through the season seems kind of ridiculous.

Poking the bear

intelligentshipper:

intelligentshipper:

I’m going to actually tag this into Megstiel fandom because, while they know I’m not a fan of Meg or Megstiel, I am of Rachel Miner, and they’re the most likely to be able to answer this question.

Generally speaking my feed has been really on-point projecting character returns most of the time, but I’ve been hearing Megstiel fandom talking about huge hints of coming back and so far all I’ve found is generalized “yeah I would come back if-” con panels, but I heard something about Ruthie having puck lights ordered for Rachel on set? And I can’t find this like, anywhere? I’ve spent like an hour crawling rachel miner tags trying to find some trace of it. 

I’m genuinely curious, even in my dislike of the Meg character herself, as a fan of Rachel behind the character, on if anyone can source me where this happened, since puck lights are a really versatile thing but I would love to actually have like a link or a screenshot to any of this being discussed so we can at least start discussion over Meg/Rachel’s return over in our lane.

FOUND IT.

SO, it wasn’t specifically Rachel Miner or Megstiel fandom that answered, but I received a lovely tip from @wlw-supernaturalwriter who did some digging and found this post. Personally my jury’s still out, so here’s what I have/know:

This post was Aug 9. During Aug 9 they were filming  14.03, most specifically, 

14.03 is one of our Wayward-focused episodes, most specifically the return of Kaia, some stuff about Jody and more, with the known info being (per jess’ masterpost of filming-stalking:)

OFFICIAL SYNOPSIS: KIM RHODES RETURNS AS SHERIFF JODY MILLS – Still trying to solve the mystery of what happened to Dean (Jensen Ackles), Sam (Jared Padalecki) enlists the help of Sheriff Jody Mills (Kim Rhodes) who may unknowingly already be on the case. Castiel (Misha Collins) continues to be a father figure to Jack (Alexander Calvert), who surprises even himself, when a life is on the line. Robert Singer directed the episode written by Robert Berens. (#1403). Original Airdate 10/25/2018.

Castiel? Yes Jack? Yes.

Guest stars: Yadira Guevara-Prip (Kaia Nieves), Kim Rhodes (Jody Mills), Jim Beaver (AU Bobby), Warren Abbot (Spencer)

Other Spoilers/info (newest to oldest):

  • “Kim Rhodes’ Jody Mills will return in the wake of “a mysterious death, when it turns out that she and Sam and Dean are looking for the same person,” co-showrunner Andrew Dabb previews.” (x)
  • Jensen and Jared Possibly filmed together in the bunker set…
  • Filming was done at panther paintball
  • Looks like Kim filmed some scenes in the Sioux falls sheriff’s office, so that’s the likely locale for the episode.
  • It does NOT look like Katherine Ramdeen, Briana Buckmaster or Kathryn Newton filmed, so Claire and Alex may not be in the episodes.

My Takeaway:

Honestly the lights look like the wall of a convention center, or hotel. It was a Thursday, but there was no convention on that weekend (rather previous weekend 

July 13-15, 2018 SPNCHI, or following weekend 

Aug. 17-19, 2018 SPNDEN.) That does not remove the potential of it being an old photo floating in a phone for a few weeks that someone decided to post. But if it wasn’t an old photo, it *might* mean something.

However, I see little to no tell that there’s room for Meg to randomly revive in 14×3, unless it’s somehow the very noncommittal “Jack surprises himself when a life is on the line” individual, which is a huuuuge leap of faith. 

This was during the period I kind of fell off of set-stalking myself because I was busy running CultFans instead at high stress/early formation chaos, so what I can say is that if Meg doesn’t show up by 14.03, this is probably a red herring.

But if anyone else has any other news to discuss about this, any better corroboration than a light switch on an ambiguous wall, I’d be happy to talk about it. The digging to do would be during episode 14.03 guys.