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Okay, about this “g*ncest” thing that just cropped up which makes me feel like I splintered back to the year 2006 and aren’t we over this by now…what that is is a bona fide example of toxic masculinity attitudes at work and being valorized by a small number of fans, mostly female.

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I was largely ignoring the discourse around this—some people don’t understand the term, or they don’t like Wincest and react angrily to anything dealing with it or its shippers—but this was presented as “I know we should be over this and here’s why,” so let me write a rebuttal. 

This will also act as a way to talk about the genre a little bit more for those who may not understand.

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Dear Gencest Mod
Thank you for such a well reasoned and patient rebuttal. 

I 100% endorse everything you’ve said here, and admire that you stayed completely objective throughout. I would also point out that the term gencest is not something that has just suddenly popped up, it’s certainly been around for as long as I’ve been in SPN fandom (c2009).

Thank you! I try not to get engaged with fandom wank, but the misinformation of both the term and our intentions, and how disproportionately angry folks appear to be over it confused the heck outta me, ha!

You’re totally correct in Gencest’s history (though I think it may go back even to the beginning of the fandom c2005/c2006) and that’s what matters. This fic writing challenge is for people who already love Gencest and I’ll be focusing on just that from now on.

Besdies, knowing our dear fandom, something will happen at a con and the old drama machine will move on from a tiny fic challenge.

It should surprised exactly nobody that someone from a certain fanbase is throwing tantrums even about a gen ficathon and also still trying to make it all about THEIR ship and bawwww feel sorry for how we’re badly WE’RE treated. It’s like clockwork with them.

we’ve been perfectly calm and reasonable.

you are also missing the point and deciding that this is about a ship war. no one gives a shit about whether it’s w*ncest or not. people don’t want triggery ships thrown in their face. the issue also is this

if this big bang isn’t for people who love the bro bond minus the *ncest, it’s NOT gen

y’all wanna write w*ncest lite, have at it! tag appropriately and call the spade a spade. i couldn’t care less that you ship it, truly.

i love the bro bond, as do most people. the issue here isn’t some ship war or hate for the bros. we just don’t want -cest slapped onto everything to do with sam&dean and we especially don’t appreciate this insistence that -cest means something other than *ncest