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I literally just had a debate with someone that insisted Castiel is a cis straight male.

Like they used all of those words.

While I get that his indifferent to orientation statement can be taken anywhere from ace spectrum to pan,

I’m pretty sure it’s basic canon that Cas has had vessels of both sex and is from an agender species?

I’m not sure how any of this computes to someone that, claiming to be LGBT themselves, Cas is a cis straight male?

I

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What?

Was that some weird fandom TERF? The fuck?

Are they trying to say that because Jimmy was a cis male, Castiel must be by nature, despite-

I-

*shortcircuit*

I would argue that angels are not (generally speaking) agender simply because we have canon instances of angels keeping their gender pronouns even when they change vessels to the opposite.

Other than that, yeah. That’s a weird one. O.o

Perhaps I should have said asexual species. My brain’s all crosswired from dealing with the crazytown loop I just witnessed. But not to confuse asexual species with ace orientation. Which Cas may or may not also fill, and I have a whole different meta about, but talking about asexual sex and species vs ace orientation. You get me. I think. It kinda gets complicated talking multispecies and that was a mis-speak. Some angels do seem to keep a preferred gender pronoun. Which only further complicates how ridiculous trying to call this cis-anything is though when they’re all in a vessel and have traded in/out in the past. 

No, I totally get you. I was struggling with how to Vocabulary (lol) in my response, as well. Like… Yeah they have a preferred gender, but even trying to apply the concept of “cisgender” to an ANGEL is mind boggling.

like lmao fammmmm

what a fine cis straight male that clearly is sksksksk

New bro-only tactic?  Since (Jimmy is still in there!!)  Jossed.  Since (Cas’s in a dead person body!!)  Jossed.  Since (Cas can’t have sex!!) Jossed.  

They might be desperate enough to start this B.S.  

(raphael was in male and female vessels and always referred to as ‘he/him’)

Yockey has been clear in 2 different episodes that angels can refer to themselves/each other as he/her/angel/celestial being, and Naomi’s comment was very specifically referring to gender and how angels describe themselves, so I feel like by 13×19 it’s pretty unequivocally clear that they recognise an angel specific gender of no specific gender, which either applies to all of them, or those that don’t particularly feel gendered by their human vessel/don’t take vessels. Misha’s musing that Cas has come to feel that he’s a he seems about right to me, but in no way does that mean that he’s cis just because he’s in a male body and identifying as male. If anything it means that angels are canonically de facto not cis as a species, which means every single angel we ever meet can’t be treated as if they’re cis humans when it comes to gender because that doesn’t apply no matter how dudebro Ishim gets or whatever 😛

100% agreed with what I’ve been saying, but nice hearing it from you since I respect your hot take on these things. In other news, I just did a reblog on this right before you did, which is admittedly a wank reblog but if you ever like taking humor in antis or “other ships” to see how callow this person’s actual objective turned out to be, by all means.